Breast Plate?

[Bradshaw theRegicide]

I'm trying to design a breast plate that would be separate from the body piece (literally a "breast" plate). I'm looking for ideas on how to shape whatever material (probably leather) so that it will conform, protect, and not get caught on anything. Any ideas? I've thought about gutting some plastic skate pads and covering them with leather and/or chain mail. (I've read this is legal as long as the plastic is not visible; if this is incorrect please explain and cite your source). Is there a better way to do this? Ideas about holding the breast plate in place (such as lace up the back) would also help. Thanks!

[Derian]

Leather will be your best bet. With patience you can form it to nearly any shape you want. Search the forums here for shaping and/or hardening leather.

[Soo Ma Tai]

Also, if you put your laces/buckles/straps in the back, you will always need help getting your armor on. I would suggest side buckles or front buckles. This will make it much easier to get the armor on and off yourself.

[Woodstock]

in fencing, we had girls that wore molded plastic sports bras to protect the valuable assets within. these plates wouldn't cost more than ten-fifteen dollars. Just mold your leather over the bra or cover one in leather. wear as normal.

[Bradshaw theRegicide]

Do they come in a DDD? o.o where can I get fencing equipment?

[warwell]

There are many fencing equipment companies. I have used Blade extensively and have been satisfied.

https://www.blade-fencing.com/product_i ... cts_id=146

YIS,
Rufus of Dragon Coast

[Woodstock]

Do they come in a DDD? o.o where can I get fencing equipment?

I get most of my fencing equipment through my gym, but you can try ebay or sport about.... and *.

[Forkbeard]

Good god, plastic fencing boobs is a great idea.
I bet they don't come in a ddd, though.
I could make you boobs. I could aslo tell you how to make them.
I'll have to see 'em first, though.
FB

[Old Horse]

Leather will definitely be cheaper but it may not be a bad idea to check this guy's wares.
He sells just the metal "bra", which could be easily worked into leather or chain armor.

Women's Armor

[Soo Ma Tai]

My wife who is also large breasted like you got some armor from Schmitthenner, and even with pictures and measurements, the armor was ill fitting and slid up over the breats too much.

Either make them yourself or let Forkbeard do it, he's not being pervy, he really would need to see them to make the cups properly. If Fork does it, you'll get the best fitting armor you can. He's an excellent armor smith, and has made ladies stuff before. I highly recommend his work.

[Bradshaw theRegicide]

Forkbeard, do you have any pictures of other things you have made? And roughly how much would it cost me?

[Forkbeard]

This has been coming up from alot of different directions.
I've been thinking about it(them) alot over the winter. I can make boob cups out of hard leather that I, or you, could attch to a breast plate, to mail, or to soft leather with scales(my current fav).
I could also make the whole thing for you, but them I'm going to need lots of details. Privatley, of course.
Price strongly depends on what you want. Usually my full torso pieces are 200+.
I think a pair of * alone could be pretty cheap. Probly like 40-50. I'll have to check leather prices.
Man, I'm having some good ideas. I'm gonna make a couple thing and put nup pictures.
FB

[Zuloo]

not to steal anyones thunder, but if your looking for some chain armor, im going to be finishing a vest with spaulders here real soon, i designed it to fit someone my size (im 5' 10" and about 150 lbs) but could easily change it to any size
and i can throw up pics of some of my previous work if you like

[Bradshaw theRegicide]

Pics would be awesome ^.^ Plus it would help me clarify what you mean by a "whole thing" (forkbeard), I'd love to see your work as well Zuloo. I'd be happy to see concept ideas too if anyone is feeling arty.

[Sieglatan]

I did a full leather bustier for a lady with size E endowments up in Santa Crux last year, and sketched some designs in the same fashion for Succubus themed hardened leather armor in the same sort of methodology....
I'll post them if I find them, for the Hell of it!

PS- are you even going for a theme beyond the purely functional?

[Zuloo]

i just remembered something too, i can also do a chainmail bikini top then add to that, i made one for a female friend about a year ago, she was only a B cup but i could do the same for DDD

heres the hauberk i made






i can do an open front like on the hauberk where its held closed by the belts, or leave it as a traditional closed front.
the rings on the hauberk are 3/8" diameter made from 14 gauge wire
the rings on the vest im finishing are 1/4" diameter made from 16 gauge wire
i like the look of the 16 gauge more right now

[Forkbeard]

Chain mail boobs are the opposite of protective. I don't think anything could hurt more than pinchy chain mail AND a tit smash.
By the whole thing I mean the whole torso peice, should you want leather. I don't do mail. It takes too long.
But if you want hard cup to attach to chain, I'll make 'em.
Like I said though, I need a couple days to work out some ideas.
Soo Ma Tai's wifes experience is very common. Corset type armor tend to slide around the body and trap squishy parts when it does. I really think individual cups attached to the rest of the torso armor by some kind of hingy thing is going to rule.
I also think it's gonna be sexy.
Gimme a couple days.
FB

[Woodstock]

I agree with Fork- chain and squishy hurt. In Amt we had a chainsmither who drove his girlfriend to the park and ended up walking home. That being said, hard cups are the way to go. If they're hardened leather, try padding them with sheepskin. Minimizes chaffing, rubbing, and impact.

[Bradshaw theRegicide]

Just to clarify (I believe someone asked something about this earlier) I intend to use my armor for Belegarth, not sitting on the sidelines, not playing dress-up. Themed is fine as long as its still legal for Belegarth and gets the job done. I'd also like to not have to wear anything else (like a sports bra) with the breast plate as well. Thanks!

[Arrakis]

You are going to need to wear garb and stuff, you know.

[Forkbeard]

That's nonsense, Arrakis. People say all the time that "armor isn't garb". I call *.
If your armor is cool and you don't have any mudane clothing showing, you do not need more garb.
I don't wear garb with my armor. I wear underarmor pants and shirt under it. I'm covered from ankle to wrist to neck. Are you sugesting that I am required to wear additional clothes you can't see under it?
If a girl wants to wear(not implying this is your plan, lass) A pair of leather cups on her cans and a loin cloth, she can. I'f she wanted to wear nothing but a leather bikini, she should
FB

[Arrakis]

Yeah, sure, that's fine. I was just saying, you know, JUST the leather bra... not enough.

Plus, I mean, really? Running fast with DDDs and no sports bra? Ouch. She's gonna want SOMETHING between bare metal/leather and the girls, anyway, too.

[Ilariia Bulochnika]

Plus, I mean, really? Running fast with DDDs and no sports bra? Ouch. She's gonna want SOMETHING between bare metal/leather and the girls, anyway, too.

QFT. Leather will chaff with any amount of sweat (and yes girls sweat there) and hot metal on sensitive skin is really only for the hardcore BDSMers.

And those hardened plastic fencing/martial arts plates hurt like a * if you take any serious shots; they aren't form-fitting or padded correctly. Talk about pinching.

[Bradshaw theRegicide]

I've got to agree with Forkbeard on this one. I see absolutely no reason why armor could not function as garb and for that matter as support wear if built well. Not to mention that hiding a modern day sports bra for lady of my proportions under armor, or/and garb becomes difficult, and certainly makes it difficult for the person designing the armor (and the person shopping for it). Furthermore, if I have to wear ten layers of stuff strapped under by bust, it makes it increasingly difficult to breathe, so pardon my impropriety, but I'd rather bounce a bit and breathe then run out of air after the first charge. Chaffing is not an issue I am concerned with, a liner, and proper lift, quickly solves that in most situations, although I am happy that this was addressed.

[Zuloo]

cool ideas, post some pics when you get the armor, always good to see some new stuff for inspiration

[Ilariia Bulochnika]

Chaffing is not an issue I am concerned with,

You will be after your first day. It sucks.

[Bradshaw theRegicide]

Chaffing is not an issue I am concerned with,

You will be after your first day. It sucks.

I am no stranger to metal/leather harnesses and high level activity. What I meant was that I do not need the armorer to be concerned with this issue as I can remedy it easily by myself.

[Siegfried130]

Giggity. Well done, Ms. Regicide.

Innuendos aside, this chick is a seriously rough competitor, and she totally knows how to protect herself from leather chafing. Please Fork, no pointy ends. She likes to tackle red-users.

[Sieglatan]

I remember having pics of my subject wearing the bustier I made for her, but they were lost when my old machine crashed and burned... ah well. Probably NSFW anyways~

But yeah- Another lady friend up north and I were scheming to make some cupped, female leather armor that was more badass and functional than sexy (which suited her very well). Unfortunately, I had to move Southwards before we could get to cutting and forming. However, I just found the plans in the chaotic pile of paper that followed me down here~!

The armor had different parts that would slide underneath each other to provide added degrees of mobility, with each part having it's own page (cuirass, tassets/greaves, vembraces, helm). The theme was a sort of succubus/dark lord thing, with demonic faces all over, with my favorite part being an armored chastity piece with a demonic face over it (at her insistence).
The cups were to be made from formed armor leather, and then extra stiffened using a glue mixture I use for load bearing parts on masks. They would then be placed in large holes on the main body of the primary cuirass plate, which was keenly measured to her ribcage, and laced in the back, so that the whole assembly was snug, but still allowed room to breathe. The ram skull was designed to be flat, with the horns curling around the cups, so as to not interfere with combat, as well as hiding the rivets, and providing a dark appeal.
She was one of those weird sizes that would sort of float between a C and D, depending on the manufacturer, but it still wasn't too hard to draft patterns for it, so I doubt a leathercrafter of skill would have too tough of a time making them for larger sizes.

[Satanaka]

...I could make you boobs... I'll have to see 'em first, though. FB

Bradshaw theRegicide :"I'm trying to design a breast plate... Do they come in a DDD? o.o ...Thanks!"

One of the Triad members (EBF) made some good leatehr armor for his wife. It was really good and seemed to function well. I think the buckles were on the side and the armor was designed with ability to move and fit her form.

[Cheeseheart]

I vote this to be the best thread ever

[Bradshaw theRegicide]

Sieglatan, that concept sketch looks awesome! I hadn't thought of doing the cups separate from the rest, that could make it a lot easier to size. Also how would you procure a ram skull of the correct dimensions and such?

On a side note, anyone have ideas about making shoulder straps more adjustable? I'm short through there and this is often a problem in fitting. This would also increase support (although the majority of support should come from the band to prevent shoulder divots) and allow for a snugger fit. I would think a sort of belt-like mechanism would work, or maybe even a peg and hole type construct?

Forkbeard, I'm still checking this thread compulsively to see what you come up with ^.^

[Sieglatan]

Thanks~! That's the sort of paper doll model sheet I use to sketch the bondage gear I sell. Small secret here- I can draw ugly things really well, but usually i need a model to draw the female figure convincingly. To save time, I printed a bunch of these with low opacity to help conceptualize various sets of gear. The 1950's look makes bondage gear look particularly awesome to potential customers~!

umm... the ram skull isn't an actual ram skull. That would be epic, but a nightmare in every sense of the word. The pictured ram skull would be made from molded leather, and would be lightweight and flat, so it wouldn't add more weight than necessary, and wouldn't get in the way of arm maneuvers. You know how they say that the mark of a master seamstress is the ability to hide a strong seam? Well, I felt the same way for something that needed so many rivets in an unflattering orientation. That's pretty much the reason i asked if you had a theme in mind, because that center piece can, with some creativity, be swapped with something else.

I'm feeling creative- shoot me a request if you wish!

My first steel cuirass for the SCA heavies was too tall, so I made adjustable shoulder straps out of old belt buckles, which worked wonderfully! Be careful with that sort of thing- One of my lady friends wears a G (no kidding), and, after years of wearing improperly fitting bras, was informed by her doctor that the straps had literately detatched ("shorn off") the muscle from her bone on her right shoulder. yeesh.

[Bradshaw theRegicide]

I was kind of shooting for a crusades theme. But I really like the design, it looks like the construction would hold up beautifully. I sketched a modified version of it that would match my theme, but my scanner is being a pain. I'll try to post it asap, but basically I traded the skull for the cross of St. George, and put a loose layer of white fabric that would come down to the knees in between the main part and the centerpiece, the cross would fit tight under the bust to make it sexy and could be mirrored on the back.

Curse you Forkbeard! Don't you hold out on me!

[Forkbeard]

These things take time, chica.
ThawBrawl is this weekend. I got a hair up my * and finished my own new torso armor, helmet and bracer.
I'm also working on 3 other projects for money.
I'm thinking alot about this, though. I'm planning to make boobs next week/ the week after. I need them for an Burning Man style event here in June for some local ladies.
We;ll work it out.
Your crusader outfit reminded me of a character from a rpg book called Rifts: Wormwood. There are several pictures of this crusader type chic with hard bood cups in chain mail with crosses and **** almost exactly like you are desribing. You even kinda look like her in the face. Go to a gameer book store and look it up. It;s a book from the 90's, but I think it's still out there.
FB

[Ramius]

Your crusader outfit reminded me of a character from a rpg book called Rifts: Wormwood. There are several pictures of this crusader type chic with hard bood cups in chain mail with crosses and **** almost exactly like you are desribing. You even kinda look like her in the face. Go to a gameer book store and look it up. It;s a book from the 90's, but I think it's still out there.
FB

GASP! Best freakin RPG book EVAR. I'm so glad your reminded me of this book. And you're right, the crusader chick in the book has almost exactly what she is describing.

**** yah. Now I gotta find my copy, wherever the hell it may be...

-Ramius

[Forkbeard]

Scan and post those pic's, man.
FB

[Sieglatan]

Scan and post those pic's, man.
FB

I love old school gameplaying manuals, so I downloaded Wormwood to see what the hype was about...
After reading it, two thoughts came to my head-
-"This is a really 90's EXTREEEEEME comic," and
-"Now I remember why I hate Rifts"
anyways-
Is this the chick you were speaking of?

or is it this one?


And I loved this panel, so what the Hell~!

That phrase will now be stuck in my head whenever I fight a dame in armor.

[Forkbeard]

The second one. Holy **** man we are all officaly geeks.
Was I right? Does she not look like that chic?
Not exactly the outfit I remeber, but then my memory parts are rusty.
Cool pic's in that book. I l;oed the rifts books for the art and story alone. It's too much game for me though. I read almost all the books but never really played it. I love the idea behind it all so much, though. Not just wormwood, though, the whole Rifts universe story is the coolest thing I had ever heard, at the time.
FB

[Ramius]

Hell yah, that was the one I was thinking of as well. And Bradshaw does kinda look like Char (the character in the comic).

And by far, the greatest thing about the Wormwood book was the Apoc. Sweet mother of god what a great character, and damned cool looking. Making garb like THAT (with mask, of course) would be pimmmmmmp.

-Ramius

[Bradshaw theRegicide]

Hmmm, thats not really what I meant o.o but thanks now I'll never hear the end of that "slay the armored hussy" I'm trying to make the crusaders sexy!

[Sieglatan]

Was I right? Does she not look like that chic?
FB

I've gotta say, that's pretty spot on- right down to the moles and the high cheek bones. That is, of course, assuming that Bradshaw is the one pictured in the avatar, and not some sweaty dude about to order boobed armor to wear to a comic book convention!

The second one. Holy **** man we are all officaly geeks.
FB

Again, spot on, since we just shifted the focus of the thread from boobs to Rifts.

And by far, the greatest thing about the Wormwood book was the Apoc. Sweet mother of god what a great character, and damned cool looking. Making garb like THAT (with mask, of course) would be pimmmmmmp.
-Ramius

you mean this?




I agree- that would be kick-ass, and not too hard to make, actually! Just some veg-tan tooling leather, some water, an oven, and some sunglass lenses, and you'd be set! The character of the Apoc is also pretty cool, as well. Sort of a triple agent redeemer interested only in the destruction of evil.

On a side note, I'm planning on building a boobed cuirass (in a sort of dark fey druid theme, in the same style as above) for a female fighter here in Andor in the next week, so I'll post progress as I go~!

oh- and for nostalgia's sake, here's the .pdf for Wormwood-
http://www.mediafire.com/?xgwedtjixdy

[Genetic]

as much as i like the wormwood book. I think its time to get back to a more important topic, "BREAST"plates.

[Sieglatan]

as much as i like the wormwood book. I think its time to get back to a more important topic, "BREAST"plates.

I'm working on it, dammit- I have the main structural piece of this Andor lady's boobed cuirass, but I just need to form the actual boob cups, and I'll be functionally done. Mind that she actually has to either be here, or do some creative work with some paper mache, for me to actually make them fit well enough for my own satisfaction.

I also realized, when I was cutting the patterns out, that this design, at least on this slightly short fey chick, will make her boobs look a bit bigger than necessary (not big enough to get in the way of fighting). Think about that, Bradshaw, you crazy crusader chick. Speaking of which, we are still waiting on those drawings, missy~!

Also mind that I am working full time, and going to night classes, and fighting, so progress is a bit slower than I would have liked (isn't that the story with everyone?). I am also working on my demon-faced armored codpiece and fingered gauntlets for myself when the Andor fey isn't about, so progress on the boob armor will be a bit tempered, but worth it- I swear!

[Bradshaw theRegicide]

Ahhh! I lost my good drawing >.< So I got frustrated and hashed this out in like ten minutes and uploaded it via webcam. Forgive quality please, this should give you guys an idea of what I was thinking, pllleeease ask me stuff about it!





And don't make fun of my drawings T.T

[Siegfried130]

*makes fun of last minute drawing taken with webcam* ...*also watched it happen*

[Sieglatan]

Was that drawn on the back of your report card?

Anyways...

I now see what you were going for with the cross- Depending on your body type, it will look either really sexy, or really frumpy, due to the tenting effect cloth can have... As for the design, I see three slight flaws, two aesthetic and one functional-

- Assuming that the body of the breast plate terminates at your ribcage, and more room isn't needed to allow for any breast sag (I'm being realistic here, not insulting- gravity applies to boobs, as I'm sure you're aware), then a rigid strip of armor grade leather going down your midsection will get in the way of any sort of torso bending, and become a real nightmare. If you were a guy, that would probably stab you in the crotch every time you contracted your abs, which is an interesting way to enforce good posture, but probably an unwise feature to build into armor. My suggestion, if you want to do the "crossed tunic hugging the boobs" look, is to do both the tunic and the cross out of white and red cloth, respectively. Use a length of red cloth to tie the tunic under the boobs, which also completes the horizontal arm of the cross.

- I made the neckline of my cuirass low, because I was allowing for a gorget underneath it, but I would suggest pulling the neckline of your breastplate up to at least the collarbone. Otherwise, it looks less crusader, and more like something a female dwarf would wear (which is still cool).

-It looks like you have the belt buckles for the shoulder straps facing forward... not a great idea unless you like limp pieces of leathery bits slapping you in the face when you fight...weird mental image there. I'd humbly recommend moving the buckles to the back- unless you go through a violent growth spurt, the position you buckle the strap won't need to be adjusted or anything, and you can just leave them there.

Looks good otherwise! I like the design, and I'm sure most guys and some girls will too, once they see it in person! Are you planning to attach pauldrons or abdomen plates?

[Bradshaw theRegicide]

Thanks Sieglatan! That's exactly the kind of suggestions I was looking for!

-I mainly drew the buckles on the front just to show that it needed buckles, back would definitely be much better.

-I was planning on using a sheer loose fabric tool or linen or something in between so I don't think it would tent but perhaps.... I'll have to fool with it.

-I wasn't sure about making the cross leather grade o.o so it could be flexible I'm fairly wide-set there too so it should be okay, I hadn't thought about using rope or cord! That could be tremendous! ^.^

-I see what you mean about getting stabbed >.< good point I didn't catch that

-I put the neckline low because I wasn't sure what I was going to wear under it yet, (plus I'm a succubi and am used to wearing low necklines )

-Yes its on the back of biology test results

[DJordan]

Fork the second image sieglatan posted with the two masks, I want mine to look like the one on the left without the ears and the symbol thing and lumps on the forehead.

[Sieglatan]

I'm about halfway through some Fey themed breasted armor, but of course, I have no pics at the moment...

just a heads up, and a call to anticipate some pictures!