First leather project!: Floating articulated pauldrons!

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Re: First leather project!: Floating articulated pauldrons!

Postby Tobia Blackthorn » Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:13 am

First, I'll say that the $10 anvil tandy sells works great for me, especially since its small enough to slip into a project if I really need to. It made a world of difference.

As for peening, I put the peen on the outside as well. Not sure why I started doing that, but always have with a few exceptions. And you really do have to make sure that you make sure its good and flat. I was at Ides of March, and warming up with the Soldato, the leader of New Dawn. He came in and initiated the grappled (I was wearing armor, he wasn't.) Well, I put my foot behind his, kind of like you do for a sweep, but just to provide more stability for myself. Thing was my greaves were the first armorwork I'd done, and I hadn't peened them completely, as I didn't even have a real anvil yet. Sure enough, he got a nice clean cut from the front of the shin around to the outside. Needless to say, I went back to the Cu Sith camp, and Haggis was kind enough to let me use his tools to fix that. Never had a problem with anything after that.

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Re: First leather project!: Floating articulated pauldrons!

Postby Bortas » Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:05 pm

The tandy anvil rocks for the price. I haven't found a need for anything larger for my leather work (for other projects, I'd make use of a larger one occasionally).

After re-reading my posts I want put emphasis: peen your rivets properly- they should injure no one! Followed with: I put my peen on the outside (insert * joke prz), because it can occasionally be uncomfortable in rubbing, and it mars the pretty finish on leather pieces underneath it more than the head of the rivet does.

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Re: First leather project!: Floating articulated pauldrons!

Postby Forkbeard » Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:49 pm

I do always peen rivets on the outside. I figure if I'm going to do it on the inside I'd have to do it smooth, so it doesn't cut me(gambesons are not made to make up for crappy armorsmithing). So If I'm making them so smooth, why not just put them on rigth(peened on the outside) and save some time and effort. Swinging a hammer inside a halmet sucks.
As for avils. I have a bunch of railroad track. I have 4, 1 1/4" steel square bars about 24" long with different sized balls welded on the ends. I have a 4"x4"x1/2" piece of flat steel I use alot. I also use the cement floor in my basement. I have a cut down pipe cap welded on a pedestal and a cut off and smoothed oxygen cylinder for shapeing.
My point is that you can use anything for an anvil that is harder than the stuff your hammering and heavy enough not to move around while you hit it. Copper is really soft and peens well with little effort. I LOVE copper saddle rivets. They are the best thing sinced sliced **** bread. I have never seen on that was properly set break or come apart.
I could make you an anvil out a peice of main line, large railroad track and bring it to Chaos war for $75.
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Re: First leather project!: Floating articulated pauldrons!

Postby Thorondor » Thu Jul 08, 2010 2:16 pm

Acorn,
How did you two get the paper patterns to lay correctly on your shoulder? My pattern is scotch taped where the rivets would be and it just wants to lay flat without bending at the joints...
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Re: First leather project!: Floating articulated pauldrons!

Postby Acorn » Thu Jul 08, 2010 2:28 pm

we taped the shoulder part down like the cross strap would hold it, and then just bent the paper around until it held. obviously you can't really mold paper like you can leather, so just make sure your pattern in similar to the patterns found online and on here, and regardless of the modifications it should work fine.

also, we used floating articulation, so the top piece isn't riveted to the next one, but to a strap
in between that helps with movement. you by no means have to do this, but that may be why our pattern layed correctly.
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Re: First leather project!: Floating articulated pauldrons!

Postby Derian » Thu Jul 08, 2010 3:14 pm

These guys work well for pattern mockups:

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Re: First leather project!: Floating articulated pauldrons!

Postby Thorondor » Thu Jul 08, 2010 4:13 pm

Thanks Darian, I was going to get some when I went to the poster board mock up, but paper I figured I'd work w/ tape.

Acorn, thanks a ton! I might have to try the floating articulation tonight :) I could get the top one to lay correctly, but the rest weren't moving.

So...went ahead and found my paper fasteners in my old leather box...added a couple strips of paper to the shoulders and they lay/move MUCH better than they did with just tape. Thanks you two!
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Re: First leather project!: Floating articulated pauldrons!

Postby Acorn » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:53 pm

woot! finished mine and almost done with rocca's! pics of rocca's soon.

so here is my finished pauldron and corset-style torso piece. do you think i will need to add anything else to make it legit? i followed the armor rules for none finger grabbing and >1/2in spaces so i know that's good. my only concern is the amount of area it's covering. if they judge torso's similar to arms where you can have multiple pieces for different sections i think i'm good. anyways, here goes!

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i can totally still move because of how i made it, so yay successful design!
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Re: First leather project!: Floating articulated pauldrons!

Postby Derian » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:21 pm

It's pretty close to the 1/3rd target area coverage rule, but I'd think it would likely pass. It's pretty clearly armor and it's not like you're trying to cheese the rules.
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Re: First leather project!: Floating articulated pauldrons!

Postby Ramius » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:34 pm

:eyes:

Nice.

The 1/3 rule is pretty close with the setup you have there. Have you thought of something like a chainmail drape/bishop's collar over the top part of your torso? That would make the size and also look cool IMO.

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Re: First leather project!: Floating articulated pauldrons!

Postby Cade » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:43 pm

Wouldn't the pauldrons more than make up for the 1/3 rd rule?

She has one third easy covered by the corset piece, and then the pauldrons covering her shoulders which is also torso. So even if she was completely done with her armor, which i don't find likely, that would be easily 50% of her torso covered with armor.

I don't think she is in any danger of falling into the 1/3rd rule.
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Re: First leather project!: Floating articulated pauldrons!

Postby Derian » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:44 pm

It's really subjective. There's pretty much no realistic way to actually measure anything, so, like I said, I don't think it'll be a problem.
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Re: First leather project!: Floating articulated pauldrons!

Postby Acorn » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:47 pm

sweet. i thought as much but thought i'd double check.

Ramius- that is a sweet idea! i'm totally planning on adding to it, i just don't have time to do that before chaos. i'll definitely keep that in mind when i design more.
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Re: First leather project!: Floating articulated pauldrons!

Postby Forkbeard » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:06 am

Lookin good. I love it.
You're fine on the 1/3 rule. It covers plenty of you.
You could squeeze more torso coverager out of a warskirt/ but cover. Or a gorget. Or both. I like to have removable peices for when it's way hot, or Pieces to add on when it's way cold. Depending on how you like to look at the weather.
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Re: First leather project!: Floating articulated pauldrons!

Postby Bortas » Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:11 pm

Forkbeard wrote:You could squeeze more torso coverage
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Re: First leather project!: Floating articulated pauldrons!

Postby Forkbeard » Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:50 pm

A good trick with corset type stuff is using strechy laces. Like little bungie cords. Then you get a little flex when you're breathing hard.
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Re: First leather project!: Floating articulated pauldrons!

Postby Tiberius Claudius » Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:40 pm

I second the war skirt idea. Even if you attach it to a separate belt that sits a little below your corset armor for bending purposes, it will cover butt and groin, plus some of your thighs so you'll get armor bonuses there too. That's the route I'm going with my Roman armor because of the in-game advantages over historicity.

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