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The hero Belegarth deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A Viking *.
Brenna Haldana wrote:Our approach with our Scadian friends is an attempt to cross-recruit for both groups. They are welcome to come out to our practices and talk up Sca, briong loaner gear and let folks try it out, and they have to reciprocate to the "boffer" groups.
The issue is we have the exact opposite problem here, as in everyone here is interested primarily in Amtgard, with little draw for anything "heavier" or "stricter" (Bel/Dag/SCA/etc). Most ppl don't even want to wear the barest min. garb or convert their weapons past funoodle and golf club shafts.
Magpie wrote:SCA is so much more out in the open when it comes to recruitment! About half the people I ask to come try Belegarth tell me that they're already squires for SCA. I wouldn't have such a problem with this if it weren't for the enormous air of superiority they put on when they say it.
warwell wrote:If someone is new to SCA, you can tell them that Bel is cheaper.
HesinRaca wrote:I second MacFinn, the big problem is that the ones that are willing to wander around town finding other fighting groups are the outgoing ones, and 4/5 times they happen to be the ego-trippers too. I wouldn't judge sca fighters by the ones that end up at your practice. Reguardless, even if they are showing up with an ego, if you don't go to their practices at all, then what message are you sending them?warwell wrote:If someone is new to SCA, you can tell them that Bel is cheaper.
This is a fairly well misquoted fact. What makes you think it's more expensive? There are groups everywhere, and in fact it's nearly standard practice in most baronys, to have loaner gear, so you don't have to buy anything to fight.
So armour can be free if you aren't an * to the people with the big bag of gear. CLothing is cheap if you try a little. What other money related excuse is there?
The hero Belegarth deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A Viking *.
Thestlring wrote:...but basically anyone that had Christian beliefs was not allowed to practice their religion without it turning into a huge fight...
Soo Ma Tai wrote:I am just curious why anyone would go to an SCA event to practice religion...that just does not make sense to me. I would be going to have fun and fight and socialize, not preach and pray, just my honest opinion on the subject.
I believe that religion is a personal issue and should not be forced or flaunted in front of others, again just my opinion.
Eris wrote:Yeah, what he said.
Plus a few kicks to the kneecaps for the idiots.
HesinRaca wrote:Yeah, that is **** up, and if I were there I'd have probably given them an earful and joined your prayer circle. I call myself pagan, but ****, I have a legal ministers license with the temple of the jedi order(sad but true, mostly did it for the philosophical debate, but if you need to get married I've got the license...haha) and my entire family is catholic, and I circle with a wiccan group. In my opinion it's not about what you believe specifically but how you go about it, what it does to improve your person, where it gets you in this life(not monetarily/power), and where it gets you in the next. If you can't recognize comradeship in people not your own belief system, then you've only closed your mind off to the teachings of at least 70% of the religions out there that preach spiritual growth over *. So, i say, **** those guys. Check out the sca up there in washington(I'll be moving there in a year or two) and give it another wack, if they do the same thing I'd fully support you not returning to SCA events. Good luck.
Thestlring wrote:A Jedi wedding, that would just be kind of cool, but since my wife is Catholic (and my wife already), I think she wouldn't understand, but cool none the less.
Soo Ma Tai wrote:Magpie of Stygia...I don't know who you are talking to, but they sure don't have more then like 5 guys ever at the SCA practice in the park...I am wondering who all those prospects are. They feel that they are more historically accurate...bah! plastic armor is hardly period, and that they are just better fighters cause they are in the SCA and we are ~just~ boffers.
HesinRaca wrote:Ok, so, take this with a grain of salt because I take the entire temple with a huge grain of salt, but because the Jedi is modeled after so many religions, they don't discriminate. A Jedi minister is a legal minister and I could do any sort of service so long as it fit the customs of the religion specified. Granted, catholics prefer catholic priests and you're already married so it's a moot point. The fact that so many different beliefs come together to discuss philosophy and religion is the only reason I still go back to the Temple, because there are of course the super-nerds that think they are movie-jedi... haha
Thestlring wrote:HesinRaca wrote:Ok, so, take this with a grain of salt because I take the entire temple with a huge grain of salt, but because the Jedi is modeled after so many religions, they don't discriminate. A Jedi minister is a legal minister and I could do any sort of service so long as it fit the customs of the religion specified. Granted, catholics prefer catholic priests and you're already married so it's a moot point. The fact that so many different beliefs come together to discuss philosophy and religion is the only reason I still go back to the Temple, because there are of course the super-nerds that think they are movie-jedi... haha
Thats kind of cool, and a refreshing change from the normal political awkwardness associated with religious discussions!
You mean there are real people that think they are Jedi from the movies? I bet that is strange, especially with some of the funny stuff that must pop up from time to time (*waves hand in front of other persons face*-"it's your turn to pay for the pizza"), hehe.
A friend of mine is in the Nuke School for US Navy Submariners, says that Jedi is the only religion to be banned from observances at that school, due to some of the antics that followers got up to. Didn't get a lot of descriptions, but the one thing he said that always made me laugh is "when you have an entire school of people who have the average IQ of 180 or so, you cannot let them get too bored when ateaching advanced electrical engineering", LOL!
Have you ever fought in a full suit of armour? It ani’t easy.Magpie wrote:I know for a fact I could run circles around any SCAdian.
Arrakis wrote:I've no doubt Magpie could literally run circles around most Dukes, but I doubt highly that she could outfight most.
Magpie wrote:In the circumstance that running circles around a heavily armored combatant does not work, running away is preferable.
Thestlring wrote:
He hit me with a 4' hewing axe once, side of the helm and so hard it threw me about 5 feet and creased my helm, turned it sideways and caused my eyes to black over! I was laughing, but WOW, it takes a lot to do that, and I couldn't get anything in the way to block it in time.
Some SCAdians are just amazing fighters, which is one reason I would rather be hit with FOAM then Rataan, LOL!!
Magpie wrote:SCA is so much more out in the open when it comes to recruitment! About half the people I ask to come try Belegarth tell me that they're already squires for SCA. I wouldn't have such a problem with this if it weren't for the enormous air of superiority they put on when they say it.
I don't know about you, but Belegarth has always struck me as cheaper, friendlier, and more drama-free than SCA.
Cälde'r wrote:Magpie wrote:SCA is so much more out in the open when it comes to recruitment! About half the people I ask to come try Belegarth tell me that they're already squires for SCA. I wouldn't have such a problem with this if it weren't for the enormous air of superiority they put on when they say it.
I don't know about you, but Belegarth has always struck me as cheaper, friendlier, and more drama-free than SCA.
Amen Magpie, amen!
Im brand spanking new but I REALLY tried SCa too, not some casual dabbling...paid my full dues, purchased an entire kit, subscriptions, events, etc, went to every practice, soaked up every lesson...a couple times out west and a couple where I am now so I thought I would throw my two cents in...I apologize in advance if I offend anyone, I am REALLY excited about Bel, so I REALLY don't want to * anyone off, but I may be a perfect example of what works with regards to recruiting for Belegarth.
The persona, history, garb, and armor that I found being used in certain areas was directly related to the general "feeling" and interpretation of history and even of the SCA in general for that area..in other words, if you lived in an area where everyone was 14th Century Mafia, you'd better be too, especially if you were new. and if you didn't want to do that persona, or period, or style, or whatever, it started you out on the wrong foot sorta speak.
Everytime I would show up for practice, having fixed what I was told was "wrong" with my kit the last time so I could fight, they would find something new. "You will want to fix this." This isn't legal this week," "This better change." After a while I was just burnt out from trying to please everyone...
There were TONS of rules! Constant focus on what you couldn't do, not what you could.
When I saw my local Bel group and I saw people fighting without shoes, without shirts, without helms, with all three, with shields, without, rocks, arrows, etc...it looked totally FREE! It looked like an organization that was totally inspiring creativity and fitness and fun, as opposed to an air of superiority or snobbish servitude "just so you could climb the chivalric ranks" or loads of rules weighed down by constant varying geographical interpretation. I got the impression Bel was what the SCA should be. I can totally see the armour rules, I just hope that sense of freedom and personal choice for historical and/or fantasy interpretation doesn't go away, I know as a new recruit, that was totally what drew me in. It looked fun, and Bel people were way way approachable...
HesinRaca wrote:
The sca is like the movie gladiator, all "serious" and heirchy and work, and belegarth is like a knights tale, where peasants can become knights because they want to and the fans sing queen songs. Ok, well... not really, but that comparison made a little more sense in my head.
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