Is there a tougher version of Belegarth?

[Peregrine]

Per the BOW


Was it put in there for safety reasons to lessen headshots? .

no. for playability issues it balances out the advantage of archery and rocks.

[Titan G]

Per the BOW

2.1.1. (Class 1) One-handed swung Weapon.
2.1.2. (Class 2) Two-handed swung Weapon.
2.1.3. (Class 3) Thrusting Weapon.
2.1.4. (Class 4) Missile Weapon.
2.1.5. (Class 5) Head-only missile Weapon.

Looks like 5 to me. And that's without counting how they not only affect armor, but how they affect certain armored parts (the head vs. the rest of the body).

Sorry for the tangent, but looking those different damages over brings something else to mind. Why is it that Class 4 missile weapons go right through armor except for the head armor, where it has no effect? Was it put in there for safety reasons to lessen headshots? And if so, why would you work to reduce headshots on people who have armored protection and just let the unarmored, unprotected people take the hit full force and have it count? That seems backwards to me.

thrusting and missile to the same kind of damage just from different kinds of weapons:ie spears and arrows

two hand and one handed swung weapons do the same kind of damage its just effects how its affects armor or shields

two kinds of damage its the weapon that makes the difference

and class four missile weapons kill with a headshot, although i havent been around long enough to tell you why we dont count armor against missile weapons , but i imagine its to discourage cheating of some kind or safety NOT realism

[Soo Ma Tai]

Head shots are not allowed with anything other than missiles, so if missile penetrate all armor including head armor, wearing a helm would be pointless. That is why head armor protects from those shots, to give people a reason to wear it.

[Fangesta]

Because IRL a helm is designed to deflect arrows..and that's the point...to have this as close to RL as possible, is why you can't block an arrow with a sword etc...rl you just wouldn't see it coming, but because ours are so padded for SAFETY they're slower. SO..to immitate RL if you wear a helm an arrow would just deflect.

[Forkbeard]

Izec, if you PLAYED Bel instead of read about it, you'd see what I mean.
And the rule about missles not going through helms isn't for safety. It is the ONLY thing you get for wearing a helmet that limits your vision, is hot as ****, and heavy after 6 hrs of fighting. If it wasn't missle proof, no one would ever wear one again.

FB

[Big King Jimmy]

Headshots are illegal, but they happen.

Helms lower injuries from head shots.

People don't wear helms if they don't do anything.

So helms protect from missles.

[Izec]

Actually, Forkbeard, I play Dag, which, as I'm sure you know, is very similar to Bel. And before that I played some Darkon. The main reason I moved over from Amtgard is because I wanted something a little rougher. I like this style of fighting and I like most of the rules, but some of the stuff just doesn't make sense to me.

Now that you guys have explained that helms wouldn't be worn if it wasn't useful against missiles, I can see the reason for the rule. I'm actually about to make my first helm, but not because of missiles, mostly because I think some protection from headshots might be nice. Plus, they look cool.

As for the rules various types of damage and how they affect you, that is something I don't really dig. Trying to keep track of what hit me and how it affects me is kind of a pain in the *, even when they do call the type of damage out loud. I think simplifying the damage would make it a much cleaner, smoother game. One hand hits take out your armor. Two hand hits go right through, so do missiles (except the head, I suppose). Clean and simple.

[Kirethorn]

Listening to this kind of makes me grateful for our method of just beating each other up. When we did run strike points any hit was counted as cleaving off that limb, not that you would have been able to use that limb anymore anyway.

As for the helmet discussion, I would make a helmet my first armouring priority.

[Forkbeard]

One hand hits take out your armor. Two hand hits go right through, so do missiles (except the head, I suppose). Clean and simple.

This is how I play. The only time I live with more than 2 limbs gone is at events when I'm in important battles. I think the way our peircing rules work now is gay, but in major battles I play that way to better support my team.
The rest of the time, 2 limbs= dead Fork.
FB

[Wisp]

Actually, what I was referring to is the infamous "shenanigans" where someone creates a fake account and posts something so "out there" people scratch their heads and begin trying to make the poor misguided fool see the light. Then after enough people have been suckered, the joke is revealed and everyone laughs. OR, maybe this guy just is THAT wacky.

Will

[Forkbeard]

This **** has been going on a while. I think he's just an Aussie.
I mean, have you ever seen Aussie movies or TV? There is definetly something wrong with those people.
FB

[Kirethorn]

Actually, what I was referring to is the infamous "shenanigans" where someone creates a fake account and posts something so "out there" people scratch their heads and begin trying to make the poor misguided fool see the light. Then after enough people have been suckered, the joke is revealed and everyone laughs. OR, maybe this guy just is THAT wacky.

Will

The way this thread has evolved that comment is almost necroposting. Read the full thread and try to keep on the current topic please.

[Arrakis]

Actually, what I was referring to is the infamous "shenanigans" where someone creates a fake account and posts something so "out there" people scratch their heads and begin trying to make the poor misguided fool see the light. Then after enough people have been suckered, the joke is revealed and everyone laughs. OR, maybe this guy just is THAT wacky.

Will

The way this thread has evolved that comment is almost necroposting. Read the full thread and try to keep on the current topic please.

LOL.

[Big King Jimmy]

Actually, what I was referring to is the infamous "shenanigans" where someone creates a fake account and posts something so "out there" people scratch their heads and begin trying to make the poor misguided fool see the light. Then after enough people have been suckered, the joke is revealed and everyone laughs. OR, maybe this guy just is THAT wacky.

Will

The way this thread has evolved that comment is almost necroposting. Read the full thread and try to keep on the current topic please.

LOL.

I LOL'd too.

[Wisp]

I'm still calling shenanigans.

Serious Cat almost caused me physical pain from laughing too hard btw.

Will

[Forkbeard]

No ****.
THat's comedy gold, Jimmy.
FB

[The Great Gigsby]

Biffer Boffer.

Biffer Boffer!

BIFFER BOFFER!!!

[Big King Jimmy]

No, no, I'm pretty sure this is a real person and not a joke.

[Black Cat]

Anyone remember the bubble wrapped skis referred to as Nordic Claymores and the tennis racket throwing axes?

[Derian]

Anyone remember the bubble wrapped skis referred to as Nordic Claymores and the tennis racket throwing axes?

No. No one does. Don't ever mention it again, either.

[Kirethorn]

Just back from a fishing trip. No shenanigans here. That serious cat is * fine comedy. I might use it as a desktop background.

[Jeggrim]

What happened to that thread that deteriorated into nothing but cat pictures? I can't remember what it was originally about...just spent like 30 minutes looking for it...that thread was super funny. I really wanna troll through it again for **** and giggles....anybody remember what I'm talking about?

--Jegg

[Big King Jimmy]

Actually, you want something funny, check this out:

search.php?keywords=%22This+thread+is+now+about%22&terms=all&author=&sc=1&sf=all&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search

I searched for "This thread is now about" these are some of the funniest threads on the board.

[Fangesta]

it be the pirates and ninjas one..hehehehehe...I soooo loved that thread!!

[MagnusofDregoth]

Hey mate, I did Shorin-Ryu for thirteen years, it's a great style. Not sure which branch you studied (I studied Matsubayashi-ryu) but I'm sure you picked up some interesting things.

One thing I will say is that Belegarth (and Dagorhir, too, which is what I mostly do) is a much rougher sport than Scadian fighting. We grapple, we kick shields, we knock each other over, we fight on the ground, etc. etc. and we do it all without needing any armor. Really, the not needing armor is the biggest thing we have going for us--for a practice (no garb, no armor generally) it takes about 10 seconds to get all our gear ready to fight, whereas Scadian armor, at least the relatively historical kind like I wear, takes about 15 minutes to put on, accounting for chatting and delays and such. So, ease of use is not to be overlooked.

[Forkbeard]

You shouldn't allow people at pratice without garb. It makes you look like dorks.
At least when you're wearing garb you look like you're part of something vaugely medieval.
FB

[Arrakis]

I've been wearing full or partial garb to Dag, Yale Freestyle Dueling Association, and The Realms practices up here in the Gnarly North and, I swear, I think the people in blue jeans feel really silly and out of place next to me (and I'm usually the ONLY person in any garb, except at Dag practices, where usually half of the 8-9 people are in garb).

[Teej]

Anyone remember the bubble wrapped skis referred to as Nordic Claymores and the tennis racket throwing axes?

No. No one does. Don't ever mention it again, either.

I got this one...

You shouldn't allow people at pratice without garb. It makes you look like dorks.
At least when you're wearing garb you look like you're part of something vaugely medieval.
FB

Truth!

[MagnusofDregoth]

You shouldn't allow people at pratice without garb. It makes you look like dorks.
At least when you're wearing garb you look like you're part of something vaugely medieval.
FB

We practice in an elementary school front lawn with minimal lighting from 8pm to 10pm on Tuesday nights. Maybe 3 people walk by all night, and they're almost always old and Eastern European (that's NE Philly for you). When we start regular weekend/daylight practices again, we will encourage (if not require) garb for all non-rookies, but right now it's generally not feasible or useful.

[Polska89]

Sorry about interrupting, but I know were trying to be part of Belegarth, but we still run a side Larping thing called K.I.R.T., We allow, wooden weapons with armor, and our hit system is a little different too, its like double Belegarths, we run it up around the Monroe, MI area we usually get about 10-30 ppl showing up its fun and intense. And we have a whole good system step up so it isnt idiotic and out of order.

[bangor]

Weblink and ruleset please. Is this the only park?

[Polska89]

The Rules are posted on the Forum website, after you sign up with the forum you will be able to access the fighting materials and the rules.
http://kirtfighting.19.forumer.com/
and this is the only "area we have bc we would like to expand but, were brand new.

[stalker013]

yeah kirt had a good history of using wooden weapons against people with little to no armor with minimal injuries. it was pretty tense, but as the creator of the game i can say it wasn't the smartest habit to continue once we started getting more people involved, especially untrained/inexperienced members. Needless to say we slowly converted to boffers. I'd compare it to darkon merged with SCA. Good times, good times...

[Polska89]

ahh, yes it was, well we got this now, which is better!

[stalker013]

yeah bel rules...
im just gonna miss having to worry if darkstorm was gonna plow through the woods and rip us apart in the night, or seeing zombies and ghouls running around

[Polska89]

haha, yup

[Orkin]

Late to the party, but what the Hel.

I have been playing with Regia Anglorum, which reenacts Viking-Age battles using blunt steel and restricted targets and strike intensity. It is reasonably safe.

On the other hand I have been doing WMAsparring using realistically weighted and balanced padded weapons made by Lancelot Chan.

Perhaps some combination would yield a more exciting sport?