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Dedric wrote:As far as Belegarth being democratic and Dagorhir not, the RWC makes all the Dag decisions I know of, and that's two delegates from every realm, which seems very democratic to me. I might personally prefer to give each individual a vote, but this way ensures that every group gets their say, that everyone can be represented, and that everyone who is voting actually gets the full story on what is being voted on and why.
The hero Belegarth deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A Viking *.
Winfang wrote:Put as simply and objectively as is possible, in an effort to protect their service mark on the name Dagorhir and all related intellectual property (IP; such as the original Dagorhir Handbook), the Dagorhir Board of Directors (BoD) requested that any group wishing to continue to use the Dagorhir SM and IP sign a legally binding contract regarding their use. The former Dagorhir groups that chose not to sign this contract, for whatever reason(s), instead formed a new game known as Belegarth.
It would be very difficult, unpleasant, and ultimately counter-productive to attempt a detailed description of the events that lead to the separation of Belegarth from Dagorhir. In simplest terms, it was largely caused miscommunication and mistrust among the leadership of both groups, which was made far worse by heavy reliance on bulletin boards and emails to discuss issues that should have been discussed over the phone, if not in person. Ultimately, both groups did what they thought was best for their game at the time, and in the end went their separate ways.
Angmarth wrote:Truth
Angmarth wrote:There are a great many individuals who are "banned for life" or something equally ridiculous for things that really should be forgotten at this point...
Wisp wrote:So why doesn't Belegarth go back into the fold and re-unify? Or are there attempts at this already underway? Seems the game would benefit by being one larger organization.
Will
Kyrax wrote:I personally balk at the "Democrat vs Republican" analogy to Belegarth/Dagorhir. Local chapters and realms run as they run in both groups without much if any outside involvement. Big events run the same way, with the groups who attend organizing things collectively. The major difference is Belegarth's online voting system to work out rules tweaks (and they are tweaks) while Dagorhir does the same through the Ragnarok War Council. B's system is better for farflung groups, but since all either are doing is tweaking a pretty stable rules set, so what?
Kyrax wrote:Given time things could come back together - and as Bangor points out, it would make sense. The rules are pretty much the same, as written. I understand that there are interpretation issues, but have been amused at how similar they are still. Sure in one game you can grapple while armored, but you can't grapple an archer, the other the opposite. But outside of isolated or edge cases, one can walk from one field to the other without changing much.
Zwei ap Owen wrote:Juicer sho' nuff loves tuh shuffle.
Wisp wrote:The rule sets for both organizations are only "law" for specific events. Each realm can have what ever rules in effect that they like in their home park. Is this correct?
Angmarth wrote:
Arnor is one of the groups with more variation than most. Our variations are rules that we would like to see changed or altered, and the one way to do that is change them yourself and then show them to the rest of the Bel world. You have more clout when you say "We've been playing this way for 3 years" rather than saying "Well this seems like a good theory".
Big Jimmy wrote:There are more differences than either side cares to admit, I think, with the type of person each draws. Each year Belegarth moves more and more towards becoming a sport (to the cheer of some and the dismay of others) while Dag has much more role playing.
Angmarth wrote:In response to Kyrax, I know that Kegg is banned as I believe is MaDog.
Angmarth wrote:Just out of curiosity, what exactly is the governmental structure for all of Dagorhir?
Soo Ma Tai wrote:Kyrax wrote:Given time things could come back together - and as Bangor points out, it would make sense. The rules are pretty much the same, as written. I understand that there are interpretation issues, but have been amused at how similar they are still. Sure in one game you can grapple while armored, but you can't grapple an archer, the other the opposite. But outside of isolated or edge cases, one can walk from one field to the other without changing much.
I seriously doubt it Kyrax, I don't think any Bel realm would sign a Dag charter to be nothing but Dag. Many realms crossover into other games, and Dag isn't cool with that, at least not if you tell anyone about it. From a realm standpoint, having been both a Dag realm and a Bel realm since the split, I find that the Belegarth organization is much more accepting than the Dag organization. This is not to be carried over to the individual fighters, who I find are pretty cool no matter what group they belong to.
Forkbeard wrote:I can't see any REAL differences between our two games.
I've always thought the split was retarded.
Kyrax wrote: Ragnarok WC takes care of Ragnarok, nothing else.
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Soo Ma Tai wrote:Also if RWC doesn't make any changes except for to Rag stuff then it's the BoD who make all other decisions regaurding the game.
Ryker wrote:And the bit about only promoting Dagorhir....ya....why wouldn't they want to protect the time, money and effort they put in promoting their own game?
Big Jimmy wrote:Aren't you asking the wrong people? We allow free and open communication about ANY game on our board.
Plus...I do imagine this part was put in specifically after the split, when moods were dark and angry.
Arrakis wrote:Dear GOD. I just clicked that link Soo Ma Tai posted. Christ on a cracker, that's a lot of misinformation. I mean, I don't even know where to start. So much hostility! "OMG Bel is so evil and all they do is diss Dag and we don't diss Bel we just make it illegal to talk about Bel on out boards and consider any group that wants to officially affiliate with both groups to be in breach of contract..."
Siiiigh.
warwell wrote:There are a number of other rules that allow DBGA to get involved with the governance of local chapters.
Winfang wrote:I hate these threads, I hate these threads, I hate these threads.
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