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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Lurker » Mon May 18, 2009 7:50 am

Somehow, that post doesn't seem terribly out-of-place in this thread.
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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Loptr » Mon May 18, 2009 12:55 pm

Lurker wrote:Somehow, that post doesn't seem terribly out-of-place in this thread.



Somehow Lurker posting here leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

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p.s. why do we really give two **** about the Dag BS on their board that we need to snivvle here about it? Play by their weak rules or stay out.
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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Lurker » Mon May 18, 2009 2:45 pm

Loptr wrote:
Lurker wrote:Somehow, that post doesn't seem terribly out-of-place in this thread.



Somehow Lurker posting here leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

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p.s. why do we really give two **** about the Dag BS on their board that we need to snivvle here about it? Play by their weak rules or stay out.

Yeah, that post of mine is now out of context; there was, this morning when I posted, a spam post there. So I was making a joke about how the spam is as meaningful as random * about a game's forums.
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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Halbrust » Mon May 18, 2009 6:32 pm

Loptr wrote:Why do we really give two **** about the Dag BS on their board that we need to snivvle here about it? Play by their weak rules or stay out.



I'm a Dag fighter and I still have to agree with this 100%
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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

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I would like to blame Dag for this spam message.
Clearly their board is the ill that kills my medieval experience.

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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby bangor » Wed May 20, 2009 10:14 pm

Loptr wrote:Loptr
p.s. why do we really give two **** about the Dag BS on their board that we need to snivvle here about it? Play by their weak rules or stay out.


Because what they are doing hurts an already fringe activity. Because there are people worth participating with on the other side, even in Rome. Because ultimately, as long as the poison continues in the minds of their adherents, whining about it here will do little good.

Take it to them, take it to theirs fields, and build fun, lasting group relationships. That's the best way to say **** YOOOUUUUU" to the mods of that worthless totalitarian excuse for a national information source.
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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Big King Jimmy » Thu May 21, 2009 3:07 am

'As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.'

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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Aleksii » Mon May 25, 2009 4:36 pm

I love you jimmy, now I have to dig up my copy.
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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Tor » Tue May 26, 2009 10:38 pm

Wow, Alpha Centauri quote. I totally geeked out.
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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Big King Jimmy » Thu May 28, 2009 9:01 am

I <3 Alpha Centauri, and still play it on a regular basis. But the point is the quote fits perfectly. A vote for the Dag boards is a vote for despotism aka Hitler.
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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Sir Cairbre » Thu May 28, 2009 9:07 am

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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby The Great Gigsby » Thu May 28, 2009 9:08 am

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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Thrush Svartehjertet » Fri May 29, 2009 10:42 am

bangor wrote:
Loptr wrote:Loptr
p.s. why do we really give two **** about the Dag BS on their board that we need to snivvle here about it? Play by their weak rules or stay out.


Because what they are doing hurts an already fringe activity. Because there are people worth participating with on the other side, even in Rome. Because ultimately, as long as the poison continues in the minds of their adherents, whining about it here will do little good.

Take it to them, take it to theirs fields, and build fun, lasting group relationships. That's the best way to say **** YOOOUUUUU...


I don't believe what is done on one board hurts the activity as a whole on the national scale (there will be many fighters at all national foam fighting events this year, and next year, and the next...etc...). I don't think the hobby needs help, nor cares much about hurt. It's not going to go away, and does it NEED to grow to be good? I actually have seen things get less fun as the games grow...

Your second point, about just attending events and having fun and being cool to each other... Is the most spot way to describe how I feel about all the games in the country. Well said. If everyone, in every game, was really cool with everyone in every other game, and we all had fun playing whatever games we liked, it would not matter what was done or said on one message board of one game. There are inferiority complexes that get in the way of people having a good time, and it sucks.

Just my 2 cents.

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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby warwell » Sat May 30, 2009 4:42 am

I don't believe what is done on one board hurts the activity as a whole on the national scale (there will be many fighters at all national foam fighting events this year, and next year, and the next...etc...). I don't think the hobby needs help, nor cares much about hurt. It's not going to go away, and does it NEED to grow to be good? I actually have seen things get less fun as the games grow...


This may be true in areas that have large, long-established realms, but I come from an area that until recently has been largely devoid of foamfighting (Florida). The Dag board policy has definitely hurt the hobby here. If someone from Orlando posts on the Dag boards saying they want to fight, I have not been able to direct them to the Lowlands. Result - someone misses out on the hobby. Now there is a Dag group forming in Orlando, but the growth of the hobby could be aided if they cooperated with the Lowlands. This is hard to happen with the Dag board policy. And we do NEED to grow the hobby down here!
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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Kyrax » Sat May 30, 2009 9:47 pm

Got it Warwell. Dagorhir pays to provide a service, a bulletin board, and wants it used to grown its own organization. So instead of pointing people at other, similar groups, their policy is to encourage those people to start their own chapter instead.

Like it or not, it is their resource, so their choice as to how it is used. Other groups, like B-garth, make different choices. But it is their resource, so they get to choose.

On the other hand, no harm in Lowlands getting in touch with the new Dagorhir chapter(s) there in Florida and connecting on the ground. If Floridians who go here or the Dagorhir board are pointed at their closest chapter, then they could choose to hook that person up with the other group if closer. Those groups can also visit each other or host joint events, etc.
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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby The Great Gigsby » Sun May 31, 2009 2:12 am

Kyrax, I would love to see whatever evidence there is to support the effectiveness of DBGA's Orwellian recruitment policies.
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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Big King Jimmy » Sun May 31, 2009 3:12 am

SirMADOG wrote:Dammit Godwin wins again.


May have had that in mind....
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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Kyrax » Sun May 31, 2009 1:48 pm

Giggles wrote:Kyrax, I would love to see whatever evidence there is to support the effectiveness of DBGA's Orwellian recruitment policies.


Growth of Dagorhir? Come to Ragnarok and you'd see it. I'm guessing that is tough for you if you're on the Left Coast like me. In the X-number of years they've been doing that, the number of their chapters has grown dramatically, as have the size and number of events. Objectively it seems to be working.

Personally, I would rather they weren't so restrictive. But they're hardly Orwellian. Mostly their point is about promoting their group. Any idjit with an internet connection can search and find any number of groups. Dominus hasn't implanted a virus in the site to redirect all searches to Dagorhir instead, nor would he bother to.
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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby warwell » Mon Jun 01, 2009 4:05 am

However, the growth of Rag does not prove that the board policies are responsible for that growth. There are other factors - for example Wreckreation Nation really jump-started Dag in Fla. One must wonder if foam-fighting in general would be even bigger if the Dag boards were not so restrictive.

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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Arrakis » Mon Jun 01, 2009 9:49 am

Kyrax wrote:
Giggles wrote:Kyrax, I would love to see whatever evidence there is to support the effectiveness of DBGA's Orwellian recruitment policies.


Growth of Dagorhir? Come to Ragnarok and you'd see it.


Correlation does NOT imply causation.
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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Winfang » Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:22 am

My opinion is that Dagorhir's growth is the result of a defined marketing plan that worked off of the success of Lord of the Rings movie events and other smaller yet similar events to establish itself as the dominant LARP during the time when the internet became a common household utility. Their board policy has been used by Dagorhir to maintain their control as the dominant LARP. I don't think it was engineered to be this successful, it just happened to fall into it.

In simple terms, Belegarth marketing sucks balls and Dagorhir kicked our asses. Belegarth on a national level could really benefit from someone who does marketing. Quit relying solely on the internet. People need to see us on TV, on the radio, in newspapers, etc...
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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Kyrax » Mon Jun 01, 2009 12:19 pm

Arrakis wrote:Correlation does NOT imply causation.


True, but Dagorhir's quantifiable growth is what convinces its leadership that they're following the right path. And if you think about it, would Dagorhir grow by allowing new people to be redirected to other groups, or would those groups? Besides, to them the message board is a sidelight, not a business locus as it is in Belegarth.

Again, I'm with Blackhawk, Guntar and other long time Dagorhirrim in that we'd wish that the policy was more open, less restrictive and that a better job was done communicating with people when there's a problem. I have no authority over those decisions, none. I've just posted in an effort to explain their point of view in light of relentless negative comments, valid or not.

And Winfang, if it's growth that you're looking for, maybe Amtgard's expansion would be a better model to study. From what I can tell it is much bigger than Dag or Bel, and maybe both combined.
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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby debuenzo » Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:33 pm

maybe we should add a magic system?
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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Aslaug » Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:40 pm

Amtgard has the benefit of an established recognition system (knighting) for both fighters and non-coms. It seems like it sets up a long-term goal for people, giving them a reason to stay around longer than in the other games.
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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Michael » Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:54 pm

Aslaug wrote:Amtgard has the benefit of an established recognition system (knighting) for both fighters and non-coms. It seems like it sets up a long-term goal for people, giving them a reason to stay around longer than in the other games.


As a 20+ year Amtgard vet, that award system has both good and bad sides as you might guess. I think on balance it helps more than it hurts but its not 100% clear either way.
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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Wisp » Mon Jun 01, 2009 5:24 pm

I think it does. It keeps people in the game longer that would normally "graduate" on up into the SCA, or at the least, it keeps them playing both. The awards system has a lot more positives. If Bel ever developed the same society, I think you'd see a lot of people make the full on conversion.

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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Solusar » Mon Jun 01, 2009 6:03 pm

Winfang wrote:My opinion is that Dagorhir's growth is the result of a defined marketing plan that worked off of the success of Lord of the Rings movie events and other smaller yet similar events to establish itself as the dominant LARP during the time when the internet became a common household utility. Their board policy has been used by Dagorhir to maintain their control as the dominant LARP. I don't think it was engineered to be this successful, it just happened to fall into it.


That's the best way I've seen it explained. Well put Winfang.
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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby warwell » Tue Jun 02, 2009 3:54 am

Maybe it's just me, but I am skeptical that a formal knighting system keeps most people around. My experiences in the SCA and Adrian Empire have only inspired loathing of formal rank systems. I've seen too many arrogant knights (not all are like that of course, but enough to make it unpalatable).

Of course, I don't know much about Amtgard. How common is knighting? If it is rare, I would argue that it doesn't keep people around. Instead, perhaps Amtgard's success is due to it having magic and classes.

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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Thrush Svartehjertet » Tue Jun 02, 2009 6:30 am

Classes are fun, they really do throw a different feel on a game, keeps it a little less stagnant... But then you need armor systems and abilities and all the stuff Dag and Bel claim to hate... Take or leave magic, it can be cool, but usually is a non-factor in full contact games. Classes are the **** (and that's coming form a fighter in Darkon who get's next to no abilities, I have played a fighter for almost 11 years now, never anything else). People strive for individuality, and classes allow that more than anything else. But here's the funny part, I think I've seen more individuality and better role play at Ragnarok than at 99% of Darkon events...

I still don't really understand the perceived need of games to "grow". I understand local groups wanting to have more than 5 dudes to hit, but there are a lot of people on the net talking about how they HAVE to expand their game (doesn't matter which one). Why? It seems to me to all be bred from a need for acceptance by the main stream... and I will never get that. I like foam fighting the way it is, and I strongly feel it could use less press at this point. I'm tired of people at bars being like, oh that thing on discovery channel or that movie with the nerdy kid. I'm like kinda, but you ever play tackle football? I dunno, I just wish it was like it was 7 or more years ago, off the radar for the most part...

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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Michael » Tue Jun 02, 2009 6:38 am

Knighting isnt especially rare in Amtgard. As I mentioned above, the awards system has negatives. Certainly some Amtgarders react with the same loathing you did to similar systems in other environments.

The key to magic and classes, is that they bring in interest not that they sustain it. Magic and classes give new people a way to feel imeadiately a part of our society and have high appeal to the young who are our natural recruiting pool. Since your levels max out at a year of attendance, most 5-7 year veterans of Amtgard have maxed out the classes they have any interest in playing. This means that they need to find other parts of the organiztion that appeal.

For many Amtgarders the awards system provides some of that appeal. Personally, I believe that excellence is its own reward. I take more pride in the things I did well in Amtgard than in the recognition other people gave those things but at age 20 I wasn't so mature about it.
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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby warwell » Tue Jun 02, 2009 6:40 am

If it weren't growing in South Florida, I'd be standing around smacking myself. Definitely no fun.

I'm in a "the more the merrier" frame of mind. However, I can see how an event can be too large. I remember some like that when I reenacted the Civil War. In one battle my unit was in reserve and we barely got to fire. However, foam fighting is definitely NOT too big in Florida, yet. I hope we get there someday. :D

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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Big King Jimmy » Tue Jun 02, 2009 9:02 am

warwell wrote:Maybe it's just me, but I am skeptical that a formal knighting system keeps most people around. My experiences in the SCA and Adrian Empire have only inspired loathing of formal rank systems. I've seen too many arrogant knights (not all are like that of course, but enough to make it unpalatable).

Of course, I don't know much about Amtgard. How common is knighting? If it is rare, I would argue that it doesn't keep people around. Instead, perhaps Amtgard's success is due to it having magic and classes.

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All of the belted knights (and the one 4 belt knight) I've met in Amtgard have been really **** cool people. I'm not saying that's the norm or anything, but I'm saying that I've heard stories about SCA and other games with other knighting systems and they don't seem to fit that stereotype.
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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Winfang » Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:02 am

I know a bunch of peers (knights, laurels, and pelicans) within SCA and they're really cool helpful people.
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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Arrakis » Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:44 pm

Winfang wrote:I know a bunch of peers (knights, laurels, and pelicans) within SCA and they're really cool helpful people.


I know several Masters in the SCA and they're all great.
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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Cedric » Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:22 am

I have only met 1 knight in the sca who wasn't cool. In our camp we have 3 dukes and a few other knights who are just cool as hell, normal people at events. I have met alot of amtgard knights, and every one of them was cool, i have met alot of bel and dag knights, alot who weren't cool...maybe a little structure wouldn't hurt :)
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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby warwell » Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:27 am

maybe a little structure wouldn't hurt


I wouldn't make that assumption. My experiences apparently have been different from others, but I have met arrogant knights in structured groups.

Note that in my previous post, I said that not all are elitist and arrogant. I have met bad apples, though, that make all look bad.

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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby arthon » Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:16 pm

Thrush Svartehjertet wrote:I still don't really understand the perceived need of games to "grow". I understand local groups wanting to have more than 5 dudes to hit, but there are a lot of people on the net talking about how they HAVE to expand their game (doesn't matter which one). Why? It seems to me to all be bred from a need for acceptance by the main stream... and I will never get that. I like foam fighting the way it is, and I strongly feel it could use less press at this point. I'm tired of people at bars being like, oh that thing on discovery channel or that movie with the nerdy kid. I'm like kinda, but you ever play tackle football? I dunno, I just wish it was like it was 7 or more years ago, off the radar for the most part...


I'll tell you why I think foam fighting games need to grow (whether you agree or even care is a different story):

Note: I play Amtgard, this is from an Amtgardian's perspective.

1) I can travel to almost every state and most Canadian provinces and find an Amtgard group to fight within a few hours of wherever I am at. I wish the same was true for Bel/Dag.

2) There is a large event occurring every 3-4 weeks somewhere in the country. I travel a lot to go to these events. This is fun. A lot of fun.

3) I now have friends all over the country. Some are event friends, granted, but I have a great time no matter what city I am in, regardless of whether I am at an event or not.

4) I like to compete. Because I play in a national game, the level of competition goes way up. I mean way up. Traveling constantly exposes you to styles and concepts you might never have invented for yourself. We (the competitive fighters) are all constantly comparing ourselves to each other and striving to out-do our peers. Even if you don't travel, those who do bring back these otherwise-alien techniques.

5) Because our game is large, the brain trust and body of knowledge goes up as well. We do not have to constantly re-invent the wheel as smaller, more isolated groups do.

6) Finally, I love having more bodies to hit. I couldn't be more pleased if were much more mainstream and had people lining up to participate. This is why I am interested in Brennon's "Lord of War" event. It's a step toward getting everybody to play together so that I, personally, have more peeps to smack around. ;)

I'd love to see Bel/Dag grow into a large national game (There's really not a lot that an outsider can point to that differentiates y'all's two games). I'd love it if there were Bel/Dag events all over the country that I could go to. I'd really, really like everyone to kind of merge together so that we were all playing the same game, but that is a ludicrous pipe dream. So, I'd just settle for Amtgard, Belegarth, and Dagorhir all getting larger at exponential rates.

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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Thrush Svartehjertet » Wed Jun 03, 2009 2:09 pm

That is a very interesting perspective. It also made me realize where my point of view comes from. I'm over saturated and spoiled with foam fighting! I am lucky and live in Baltimore. I practice with 5 to 25 people every Tuesday night, I fight Darkon with between 125 and 300 every other Sunday, and can attend a Dag event with between 75 and 130 people 1 Saturday a month. So I don't see the "need" for growth because the growth I've seen (especially in Darkon) has not necessarily been good. There is a push for lighter weapons and less characterization right now in Darkon, which **** sucks to me. I just go out to beat people and play a viking, but the attitude complex that comes with national foam fighting (I don't personally care much, but I've seen how it effects our local game) seems to be ruining the creativity that made Darkon the cool place it was. I am trying real hard to explain this without insulting anyone, becasue that is not my intent, I love fighting people everywhere! Basically, a bunch of people in Darkon play multiple games (like me), they got better by fighting elsewhere as well, and changing their style to more of a Bel/Dag style. They then proceeded to tell everyone else at Darkon that they sucked instead of teaching anyone anything. So while there were people just enjoying the game as it had been for years, a few people started to do a little better than them and at the same time insult role playing and magic and whatnot... and it has had a real cancerous effect on the culture of the game.

I go places and play by their rules and enjoy myself inside of the box that their game has provided me. These people didn't. And they really **** up a neat thing. So I have a warped perspective on growth... But I understand your point of view better now!

I just really wish people could see the super positive in every game, and leave them be. I guess I see that growth for the national games CAN be a good thing, but I tell you what, if you have a large local only game, try and keep it local.

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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby arthon » Wed Jun 03, 2009 2:35 pm

Thrush,

You do bring up a point about a large national game which merits inspection - the 'attitude complex' that comes with the more 'leet' fighters. We certainly have our share of it but it's ameliorated by the fact that all really good fighters would like other fighters to get better as well. That way, there's more competition. With more competition, comes more fun.

I bet that in Darkon, you'll start to see these national fighters start to nurture a select few on the local level. The problem, of course, is that it creates a vast skill disparity between the haves and the have-nots. This has killed Amtgard chapters in the past and so I certainly see why you look upon it with a jaundiced eye.

I certainly look back with nostalgia to the days when I first started in a much smaller group. It was a time when everyone was friends, everyone was more engaged, and the experience as a whole was better. Then I read on our national boards quotes from our players who are saying the same thing. The difference is, these players started three years ago, while I started over twenty years ago.

In the end, it may just be a natural progression. We get older and more jaded. The new wears off and we see the underlying scars with much keener eyes.

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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Kyrian » Sat Jun 06, 2009 8:27 am

Kyrax wrote:
And Winfang, if it's growth that you're looking for, maybe Amtgard's expansion would be a better model to study. From what I can tell it is much bigger than Dag or Bel, and maybe both combined.


I believe that it's not simply a knight system that has driven the growth in Amtgard and the SCA. It's that they have, from the get-go, built a recognition/encouragement of excellence system into their societies and have gone out of their way to make sure their societies are inclusive and appealing for non-fighters. If you look at Belegarth, much of what goes on revolves around fighting and non-fighters are unfortunately often seen as second-class citizens.

Both the SCA and Amtgard have systems in place to recognize excellence in any field. The SCA has their peerages: Knight for combat, Laurel for the arts and sciences, and Pelican for service. Amtgard has its four knighthoods: Sword for combat, Flame for service, Crown for kingdom leadership, and Serpent for the arts and sciences.

One example of how other groups drive growth is the SCA's Pennsic War which has, I believe, on average about 12,000 attendees. However, only around 2,000-2,500 might actually be on the field at any one time. What are the rest of the people doing? Participating on the rapier field, shopping, attending classes, etc. The SCA has made the effort in appealing to other people besides the fighters and actively encouraging non-fighting activities.

Another example is Amtgard's crown qualifications. This, in my mind, is one of the ways in which Amtgard drives their arts and sciences. In order to run for a kingdom-level office, you must produce entries in several different fields such as weaponsmithing, fighting garb, feasting garb, sculpture, moving art, static art, cooking, painting, writing, etc. These entries are then judged, tallied, and you must achieve a minimum average score in order to be eligible for office. It's been a very long time but I believe that you had to have entries in at least seven different fields.

Belegarth didn't build this into its society from the beginning and many ideas and solutions have been ad hoc without being able to change the perception that the fighting is the only thing that matters. Realms and individuals have been working to change this but so far it's been an uphill battle.

From what I've seen, there are three major tiers that make a society like ours, Amtgard's, or the SCA succeed. They are fighting, service to the society, and the arts and sciences. When one is treated as above the others, it slows growth. By treating all three tiers as equals, you encourage growth and appeal to many different demographics, not simply those that want to fight.
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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Akeron » Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:00 am

Alex you are so full of your own waste that you are unable to follow your own thread of lies from PR,

"Once had a problem with Dagorhir.""

>>>Cause you guys were pouching our own in our own park , on our own faces....we kicked you ,Concepción and Centeno because you guys tried to impersonate us, tried to posed as WCmemebers when you were kicked out and while we did all the permit paper work with Parque Central Administration (way before you were Bele anything)you were being watched by Administrator Gisela Esteva ....because you couldn t do a simple paperwork tramit and follow the park bylaws.

Grdhil, Ryunossuke, Mce, Krane and other memebers complained about your BS on PC and at UPR Campus.

Also Danny/Tumbak is full of it, trying at every corner to diminish our effeorts...he never even tried to help us(and to be sincere we would never need it), but when the UPR pseudo Dag chapter started off.
fueled by their own BS...he jumped to helped thme and started bring gifts and treats trying to beguiled the puppies...until he himself notice how hardworking they really are!. All in hopes of pulling their numbers into his friends dying Bele unit...cause is a Bele unit, simply because Dag board didn t buy Concepcions BS about starting a Dag Chapter.


"The jerk that caused all the issues terminated his chapter after everyone quit and got the permission to have their own chapter. "


>>>That jerk is me, and since you never had the cojones to speak face to face , I will say my piece here and now.....I did t terminated WC, WC still lives happily ever after you idiot, we just terminated our oficial affiliation to Dag , to ensure that we didn t have to suffer the BS of the Emocracy of the UPR few(exactly 6 : Norma, Gabriel,Antonio, Danilo,Julio and Patty)here....after beig ourselves who started that group there.
And we decided whatever bull you are trying to feed people here as a group, we are a directive of 5 members, five votes plus staff.
An as SGPR we do as we please , fight by the rules we like or make our own...just like Bele did once.


"He basically decreed that I couldn't fight Dag with any of the units on the island."


>>>Cause you were a miserable asshat kept bringing unsafe weapons that didn t passed on PC to UPR to see if the poor ignorant bastards fall for it . ...but as a responsible jerk that I am , I was there regulary to ensure a good weapons check...they never got it right though.Cause you have been bullsh*tting Bele and Dag about me forever after that.


"Went to Bele, and * that the Dag boards ignored when I asked for help on how one person being power hungry and controlling everything in a chapter. Karma is a *. "

>>>The power hungry idiot is you Alex...I don t take not one decision without a good democratic voting of our board of directives , and if we cann t solve it there we ask in chapter s staff crews and official members.
We celebrate assemblies to choose new directives yearly... that power hungry I am, but since you havent work half as hard as our neawest staff member to achieve anything in your punny little life...the only thing you got left is your own BS to swallow.

"He recently got banned from the Dag boards because he was going around the word filters and calling me out on being the founder of a belegarth realm, and because he kept on mentioning the LARP he founded."

>>>We never mentioned our organization name on any of US boards...NEVER, the DBGA board of directives and some friends from several bofferfighting groups have full knowledge of our decisions and activities.Some didn t like them , some still support us and invite us to events.

I got banned simply because my profile(which is older than any of yours including Valle)because I simply left the link of WC on it and since we changed to the new org, Tumabrk and you asshats use that to try to get me banned...I explained my mistake, felt a little dumb(it was an honest mistake)and got reinstalled on the boards.
And yes I said the founder of that second BS chapter here in PR is full of his own $$t and that he is a hypocrite in trainning....probably laernt from your pros advice.

"I had my issues with Dag for a few months, then I just realized that I pitied the jerkoff that banned me and didnt have any problems with Dagorhir."

>>>You simply got your surgery and left the island without being able to fight for months....being in NC you felt alone and isolated, and since Dag was the only thing near your sorry * you got to terms with it.

Anyway and by the record our organization, the first organization of its kind in PR and the Caribbean....formerly the first Chapter of Dag overseas and the first spanish speaking one too.....promotes anyactivity related to bofferfighting , including Bele, Dag, Darkon, Wyvern Games, Solar, Nero, amtgard, GRV, Efel, LARPA etc...any member of these organizations that doesn t have any issues with us past or present is more than welcome to our combat games, bofferLARP events and other boffer related activities.

With around six chapters around PR , SG is the older bofferfighting, bofferlarping organization in PR and the Caribbean with friends in Mexico,Colombia, Costa Rica, España, Sweden, Canada ,US, Domican Rep and Chile.We were the firsts to translate Dag rules and manuals into spanish...we ould be more than happy to do the same for Bele and Nero for example.

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Outhro Youkker wrote:I just like the idea of ignoring what is said on both sides and just go fight

I crave combat
I moved to NC two months ago and there is nobody close by, plus I am limited on my road trips to anywhere.
Wanted to go to the Dag event up north in Virginia last weekend, but couldn't make it because I had a schedule set up for the original date for the weekend before. They changed the date, and I was not able to go.

This up coming weekend I am going to a RenFair in Raleigh, where SCA will be showing up and I want to talk to them so that I can find some fighting.
I am showing up in full armor, and I want to talk so that I can know where and when I can go somewhere so that I can fight.

Bele and Dag I would take as priorities for fighting, but there is nobody around here. My next in line is SCA. Not going for LARP, because it would be that I am dreadfully desperate.

Once had a problem with Dagorhir. The jerk that caused all the issues terminated his chapter after everyone quit and got the permission to have their own chapter. He basically decreed that I couldn't fight Dag with any of the units on the island. Went to Bele, and * that the Dag boards ignored when I asked for help on how one person being power hungry and controlling everything in a chapter.
Karma is a *. He recently got banned from the Dag boards because he was going around the word filters and calling me out on being the founder of a belegarth realm, and because he kept on mentioning the LARP he founded.

I had my issues with Dag for a few months, then I just realized that I pitied the jerkoff that banned me and didnt have any problems with Dagorhir.

I fight, I like to fight, and I can post here about different fighting groups without the problem of getting banned.
Bele boards are more open to talk about anything
Dag boards realy wants to focus on Dag.
and I dont care if anybody judges me for being in other groups :D
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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Chicken » Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:03 am

Akeron wrote:Alex you are so full of your own waste that you are unable to follow your own thread of lies from PR[...]


Thank you for bring up a post from 3 months and two pages ago and starting a flamewar because someone called you a jerk on a power trip. You have clearly refuted that argument.
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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Derian » Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:16 am

Yeah, what the ****?

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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Arrakis » Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:02 pm

Hey Akeron: SHUT THE **** UP.
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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Spike » Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:13 pm

C'mon, really? Is his post that horribly out of place in a ten page thread of people whining, *, and complaining about something that's completely irrelevant?
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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Alunsun » Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:53 pm

Oh wow. I didn't see this. Akeron, you got kicked out of Dag... Good luck with whatever it is you're trying to do with your own rules set. Mind your weak * business before I eat your family ^_^
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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Spike » Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:55 pm

Alunsun wrote:Oh wow. I didn't see this. Akeron, you got kicked out of Dag... Good luck with whatever it is you're trying to do with your own rules set. Mind your weak * business before I eat your family ^_^


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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Alunsun » Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:56 pm

And Outhro. Shut your * mouth as well.
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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Dane » Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:08 pm

So a guy goes alone to a party to tell another guy he's an *. The guy being told he's an * is surrounded by like 100 of his friends, and the guy that came alone is...alone.

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Re: Kicked off the Dagorhir Board

Postby Big King Jimmy » Sat Jun 27, 2009 2:10 am

Dane wrote:So a guy goes alone to a party to tell another guy he's an *. The guy being told he's an * is surrounded by like 100 of his friends, and the guy that came alone is...alone.

Danke for the lolz. Now run along.


Dude.... yah... that's exactly what I think whenever I see that kind of post. "* are you doing? Don't you know we LIKE this guy? ALL OF US?!?!"
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