A little shield on shield action

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A little shield on shield action

Postby Crom » Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:27 am

I'm a fairly new fighter who has been dabbling in the wonderful world of Belegarth for roughly five months now. With my trusty sword and shield I can hold my own against pretty much every style of fighting that I've encountered and fortunatly been able to find weakpoints in these styles so I can quickly generate a plan of attack before engageing anyone...as long as they don't have a shield. For some bloody reason I can not beat a shield for the life of me. Would anyone be willing to share their knowledge and help this little hombre out? (I don't know if this matters or not but i'm left handed)
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Postby Pierce » Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:20 am

As a lefty myself, I noticed when going sword and board the mirror effect leaves your left side open more than what is comfortable, so if this is the case cover your sword arm more because it is easier for your opponent to hit you there.
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Postby muskrat » Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:50 am

i try to take out legs so i do a fake for the of there sheild and thin i pull back really fast and take a leg and thin you have the advantage
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Postby muskrat » Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:51 am

i do a fake for the top of there sheild
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Postby Dabbanoth » Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:01 pm

Oderus, If you can catch up with me at some practice, i can give you some tips about both fighting with a strap sheild, and fighting against a strap sheild
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Postby Dr. Kazi » Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:47 pm

lef-ty CHOP! lef-ty CHOP!

Wait until they do something, anything, then swing as hard as you can at their body. This will kill a shocking percentage of right handed fighters, especially if they don't know you're left handed.
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Postby Cib » Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:11 pm

I have heard (for us righties) that if you are fighting blue only and come up against a sword and board to switch sword hands so that your sword hand is the same as your opponents. Why? It makes there shield much less effective.

When you, as a lefty, using a sword come up against a righty sword and board, be aware that you have lost much of the effectiveness of you shield, however so has your opponent.
You will eventually gain an advantage in this due to the fact that you will face a lot more righty sword and boarders than any righty sword and boarders will face lefty sword and boarders, you will have the advantage of experience.

This also explains why Kazi's lef-ty CHOP works so well.
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Postby Sothopoly » Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:45 am

Throw combos, Dont throw single shots, Throw a light shot high and wide then bring it low into their leg, do high-to-low combos and left-to-right combos. Use fients, as in, throw half of a shot in one direction, then throw a full shot in another... get them to block shots you dont intend to land so they are out of place for the shots that matter.
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Postby Grey » Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:12 am

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Postby Dacian » Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:07 pm

Work with opposites, that is, this in a nutshell.

If you throw a shot to their left side, they will naturally block their left side. What, now, is open? The opposite side.

Vice versa. swing to their right, they'll leave their left open.

When you attack their "opposite" side, you are attacking the furthest point from their defended side. So, to over-simplify things, swing left-right, right left, high-low, right arm-left leg, etc...

Once again, that may be overly simplified, but play around with that, as it is a nice beginning basic tactic.

NOTE: This forces you to throw more than one shot. Once you learn and practice combinations of shots, it is much harder for them to block.
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Postby Rhys » Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:21 pm

One thing I have found to help my sword'n'board vs sword'n'board is learning things such as shield kicks and shield checks. These will surprise your enemy and give you a chance to hit an opened up area. If you can, work on these at practice with someone until you can learn to do it effectively.
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Postby deflagratio » Mon May 12, 2008 9:49 am

Remember to circle to their weapon. This brings your shield more into play and takes theres further out. If you can get the angle then press in and tie up his weapon while you try to wail on his back.
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Postby bo1 » Tue May 13, 2008 11:11 am

match the feet first. put the same foot forward as they have. not actual left foot vs left foot, but as you see it. so if my opponent is right foot forward you want to be left foot forward. footwork is the most important thing, it gets you into good positions, which lets you win.

finding a good righty and work with them on slow work to find shots. i mean like bearly moving slow work. have them throw shots slow and you react, see what is open and what shots come natural.

lots of lefty fighters move to my left when we fight. this increases the distance i have to throw a shot and gives them longer to try to get my arm. at times they reverse direction and throw a wrap, or close and throw a high cross. so try these.

oh and lastly, learn to weapon block and counter strike. these are the true lefty advantages.
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Postby Derian » Tue May 13, 2008 11:57 am

I've only skimmed over, so I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but get real close to them.

Unless you're fighting with a long * sword/whatever, get right up next to them. Your shields should be four or five inches apart.

It's hard for a lot of people; hell, it's hard for me to do, but the majority of people will get really uncomfortable when you invade their personal space, and will start to make mistakes.

I know because I get chumped every time it happens to me, and vice versa when I actually pull it off.
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Postby deflagratio » Tue May 13, 2008 7:01 pm

One thing that gets taught in the SCA alot is to throw a shot when you go in and when you go out of range. Alway. On they way it it keeps your opponent busy blocking rather than trying to break the initiative and on the way out of range it keeps them from engaging. Many people when they are attacked will wait for the attack to stop and then launch their own. If you throw one last shot as you retreat it keeps them from coming forward too fast.
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Postby Soo Ma Tai » Tue May 20, 2008 12:05 pm

then swing as hard as you can at their body


this is never a good idea. You should never be swinging as hard as you can, that's how people get hurt. I am 5'10" and 135# and if I hit you as hard as I can, it will hurt you.
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Postby Sleeper » Tue May 20, 2008 1:59 pm

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Postby bangor » Tue May 20, 2008 2:20 pm

The idea isn't to get rid of the pain, it's to get rid of the injury. Harden up!
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Postby Thomas MacFinn » Tue May 20, 2008 3:41 pm

When he said "hurt", Soo Ma Tai meant injure. I also can injure people by swinging full force.

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Postby Sleeper » Tue May 20, 2008 5:28 pm

bangor wrote:The idea isn't to get rid of the pain, it's to get rid of the injury. Harden up!


Lemme give you a shield breaking hit to your knee or kidney and lets see if you stick by this statement.
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Postby Thomas MacFinn » Tue May 20, 2008 7:25 pm

Call me biased, but if a shield breaking hit requires more force than a kidney shot, people aren't taking the shield shots they should. I hit shields and shins with the same amount of force.

I've pulled more than one fighter aside and said that, followed by "So how hard do you want me to hit you and your shield?"
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Postby Mercer » Wed May 21, 2008 12:15 am

One cannot "harden up" the natural weak points in the human body. We are not rhinos, we can't thicken our skin. We could armor up with fat, but I'd rather have a heart that isn't solid gunk.
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Postby The Great Gigsby » Wed May 21, 2008 2:22 am

Old thread is old, but it bears repeating.

If you as a lefty are not winning at least 50% of your engagements with relentless aforementioned lefty-chops, then you are not doing your job as a lefty sword & boarder. The other 50% of your victories should come from the fact that your opponent should be expecting a lefty-chop 100% of the time; so you feint a chop and juke 'em in their shield side shoulder or kidney. :attention: AS HARD AS YOU CAN.* :attention:

I promise, if you can understand those two simple rules, you will pwn the world. When you go up against medium to high skilled opponents your left handedness isn't really an advantage anymore. If there aren't any skilled fighters in your area, try to spar with another lefty, or switch hands for a few months.

Also, don't let people know you're left handed until it's too late. Then it's LEFTY CHOP time. Control the speed of the fight, strike first (generally), strike to kill. Run with the left flank, we have the most fun.

These are really crude instructions and obviously, you aren't going to reach the top with only two moves in your vocabulary, but you would be surprised at how effective those two moves can be if you practice them.

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