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Fighting over 40

Postby Thomas MacFinn » Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:44 pm

[url=http://www.thearma.org/essays/Fencing_Over_40.htm]ARMA Editorial - Dec 2006
Historical Fencing Over 40[/url]

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"never leave studying and practicing till you come to the ground
and until you have sounded into the depth of your Art"

– Master Joseph Swetnam, 1617

By John Clements
ARMA Director

I encounter a great deal of first time students of historical fencing over the age of 40. They want to become involved in practicing this craft, and are typically eager to learn about Renaissance martial arts, but often become slightly discouraged at the physical challenge involved, and the historically youthful nature of armed combat itself, not to mention the vigorous approach the ARMA promotes and the standards we try to maintain. The first thing I tell them is that learning is a continual process, and with maturity comes greater appreciation of that process.

At the same time, over time people often accumulate a plethora of physical habits and movement patterns that must be overcome if they are to legitimately develop real skill. While being able to jump and bounce around with adolescent energy is certainly a benefit, the mental aspects of this martial discipline are the same for everyone. Indeed, these arguably count for more than does the affects of any natural physical decline comparative to when an older student was 20 years old. As the master Vadi wrote in the 1480s, “Cunning defeats any strength.”

More importantly, I like to remind mature students of the wisdom of the English Master, Joseph Swetnam, from his 1617 fencing treatise, the Schoole of the Noble and Worthy Science of Defence, covering the backsword, staff, and rapier. Swetnam advised: “a little skill is a great help at a time of need, which if thou hast not obtained in thy youth, then be not ashamed to learn when thou art old.” Swetnam added further: “Many a man will say, That skill in weapons is good, and one of the principallest things that belongeth to a man, yet themselves altogether unskillful; in their youth they think it too soon to learn, and in age too late, yet when they are wronged, they would give any thing, that they were able to answer their enemy without fear or hurt, as he which is skilful in his weapon may doe.”

Finally, he recommended one should, "never leave studying and practising till you come to the ground, and until you have sounded into the depth of your Art.” His wisdom rings again today. It reminds us that such a view was nothing new in Western martial culture. Rephrasing the Roman Sallust by way of Vegetius, he chivalric-minded Christine de Pisan wrote in 1410: “It is better, that young men should be excused for not having entirely mastered the martial art than that they should be reproached in old age for never having known it." So true.

"Be not wise in thine own conceit, in thinking that thou hast learned all the skill which is to be learned already, farre deceived are thou if thou thinks so, for if thou live (til) thou art olde, yet thou mayest learne still."
- Master Joseph Swetnam, 1617
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Postby Soo Ma Tai » Wed May 21, 2008 9:12 am

So true, my father started learning Kenpo Karate at the age of about 50 and is now a 3rd deg. black belt. There is always time to learn....no matter your age.
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Postby bo1 » Wed May 21, 2008 9:48 am

age and trechery will out perform youth and enthusiasm.

i see many very fast young fighters. usually that don't learn skill until they start to pleateu. then they look for some skill to go with that speed.
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Postby Peregrine » Wed May 21, 2008 10:03 am

I started Belegarth at 38 I am now 42. I have found, that my body can not do everything my mind thinks can.
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Postby Sleeper » Wed May 21, 2008 2:50 pm

I started when I was 21, now I am 24 and my body feels like shyt. Redswording is hell on joints.
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Postby Vitus » Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:26 am

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Postby Mercer » Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:00 pm

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Postby Judas » Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:03 pm

Sleeper wrote:I started when I was 21, now I am 24 and my body feels like shyt. Redswording is hell on joints.

STRETCH!!!
Before and after you fight.
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Postby Dacian » Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:04 am

Judas wrote:
Sleeper wrote:I started when I was 21, now I am 24 and my body feels like shyt. Redswording is hell on joints.

STRETCH!!!
Before and after you fight.


Hell, I'm 23 and I'm already learning that. lol

Pretty soon I'm gonna have to start padding a walker. * kids.
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Re: Fighting over 40

Postby bangor » Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:00 pm

When I was in the military, we talked a great deal about physical fitness. It was shown that folks who had exercised vigorously were fastest in their 40's. You can achieve this level of fitness at any time before 50-60, but it takes a great deal of hard work, harder work than the casual historical fighter is usually willing or able to put forth.

And I'll second that notion on stretching!
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