Quarterstaff Users?

[Keisai, of Amaterasu]

ok.. i have seen on edhelen that they only sell striking quarterstaffs and none have stab tips, id like to get my hands on one myself.. i have been going to the Realm known as Ravenfeast for a while. they had a quarterstaff out for usage of whoever got it but it was NFS obviously. and im not very good at personally customizing weapons. i was wondering on tips for customizing one from edhelen or finding a quarterstaff with a strike and stab capability at both ends...

and i was also curious as to making a quarterstaff thread seeing as not many people use them and there is no current thread for them.

so... ill just wait and see what i get. out of the replies... and what comes up on proper technique...

[Cyric]

Quarterstaves are generally ineffective on the field and in sparring, unless you backstab a lot, or get lucky. check the foam smithing forum, there's a ton of stuff about quarterstaves there. Or, do a whole board search, as this has been beaten to death.

You can get a custom one from edhellen, and having a stabby tip on it would increase it's usefulness, but only by a little. The problem with them is that you leave too many openings when you swing it.

They can be fun, but if you're looking at them from the standpoint of battlefield effectiveness, they're pretty useless.

[Derian]

Here's a thread that will answer most any question you might have about quarterstaffs: viewtopic.php?f=135&t=27706

[Keisai, of Amaterasu]

Quarterstaves are generally ineffective on the field and in sparring, unless you backstab a lot, or get lucky. check the foam smithing forum, there's a ton of stuff about quarterstaves there. Or, do a whole board search, as this has been beaten to death.

You can get a custom one from edhellen, and having a stabby tip on it would increase it's usefulness, but only by a little. The problem with them is that you leave too many openings when you swing it.

They can be fun, but if you're looking at them from the standpoint of battlefield effectiveness, they're pretty useless.

i am rather decent with a quarterstaff. my father whome was in military taught me to use one. i can take a shield head on and im fast enough to dodge attacks without a problem. with a dagger on side the quarterstaff can prove quite useful. it is all i use on the field and 7 times out of ten i usually come out as one of the last 5 standing. and i dont much backstab. i prefer to call them out on the field... if i do sneak its mere payback.. otherwise i call out and approacch them from 10 feet awat hastily.

as for the details on the customized quarterstaff.... id like to see about it... (send me the page link also please?...)all i saw upon edhelen was a strike surface quarterstaff... and on detail it said they were not up for being customized...

common term in my opinion....
the fighter does not choose the weapon. it chooses the fighter.

i took to the quarterstaff faster than florintine and such so i stuck to it and became one of the better on my field.... ive only been fighting for about 3 months... i dont remember the exact day... but over time my headshot ratio was up and went down to 1 a day or less... its a good weapon for those who adjust to use. and the dagger at close hand works wonders.

[Derian]

Just as an FYI, many people will take issue with an attitude like that, especially with quarterstaffs. Most people who give advice on them have been fighting for years and have never seen anyone be effective with them. There are others who's fighting career dwarfs mine, but I've been fighting for 8 years and have never seen or even heard of anyone being even close to effective with a quarterstaff.

Because of the way our rules treat them, they can never be an effective weapon as compared to your other options.

[bo1]

i would like to meet you some time. i would love to see the effective use of the quater staff. any events you are attending this season?
i am making everything this year, beltaine, sw, arm, chaos, octfest, and many smaller ones.

so lets not see this turn into a flame fest shall we. oh, and congrats on doing well on the local feild. Just so you know, derian had some good advice. we have all heard about how this or that is awesome, usually from some one with minimal experience. this probibly isnt the case with you, but as a board member it is generally frowned on, as a community, to explain your skill, until you make a few larger events. this is a true test of a warrior.

[Keisai, of Amaterasu]

i am aware events are far different from home field and such... i believe theres an event known as ragnorok up in ohio... i may be wrong... i do remember theres an event in ohio... i will most likely show up.. i know im tnhe new kid but anywho i would not mind being beaten... what you dont win only makes you stronger.. so it wont bother me in the least... i love to learn.. an even though others do not like the quarterstaff... most take it as useless or less... others as a straight offense... i find it more as a balanced item. it fits most situations..

when it comes down to a sword and board. they are most troubling... especialy with quarterstaffs.. i find the best thing with quarterstaff is to evade and avoid hits.. otherwise find a way around.... i honestly charge the shield jump and stab them with the dagger... may not work all the time but it does the trick..

i understand the quarterstaff may not come in favor to most fighters.... but it teaches you to up your evasion if anything.... i find it to be my overall weapon of choice...

[Cyric]

All fighting styles incorporate evasion and hit avoidance. it's pretty much the name of the game. Maybe i'll see you on the field sometime, and we'll see how good a quarterstaff is. i'll leave it at that.

As for the edhellen one, just send them an email at orders@edhellen.com and tell them you would like a quarterstaff with stabby tips.

[Arrakis]

This thread is for the lulz. But!

I applaud Cyric and Bo (and Derian) for their extraordinarily mature and reasoned responses to the originator of this thread. Excellent job, guys; way to represent the sport well.

[Sir Anastasia]

I have laughed at people's chosen weapons combos before (as a shield and sword fighter-I usually get to feel comfortable about my choice of gear). In Andor, I saw a kid with a short spear and dagger, and I thought, whatever-easy kill for shields. However, this kid knew every shield would rush him and had adjusted his style to counter a shield-man's typical attack. I saw a lot of shield people get taken out with punch daggers that day-much to their surprise. I think that most of the time weapon choice is like rock-paper-scissors, but every so often you will meet a person who wants "paper to beat scissors" so badly, that they will train themselves so they can make it happen. I think its fine to say 99% of the time the quarterstaff sucks. But if this person is in the 1% of people who CAN make it work, aren't we the haughty ones to suggest otherwise?

Until we meet in battle (AND I won't be underestimating you),
-Anastasia of Chamonix

[Keisai, of Amaterasu]

I have laughed at people's chosen weapons combos before (as a shield and sword fighter-I usually get to feel comfortable about my choice of gear). In Andor, I saw a kid with a short spear and dagger, and I thought, whatever-easy kill for shields. However, this kid knew every shield would rush him and had adjusted his style to counter a shield-man's typical attack. I saw a lot of shield people get taken out with punch daggers that day-much to their surprise. I think that most of the time weapon choice is like rock-paper-scissors, but every so often you will meet a person who wants "paper to beat scissors" so badly, that they will train themselves so they can make it happen. I think its fine to say 99% of the time the quarterstaff sucks. But if this person is in the 1% of people who CAN make it work, aren't we the haughty ones to suggest otherwise?

Until we meet in battle (AND I won't be underestimating you),
-Anastasia of Chamonix

thank you Malady... ill se to spotting you on the battlefield... as for the others... i have no mind as to who frowns down on me.. as she said... Scissors against Rocks... or paper to scissors... if you adapt to the ability of the weapon anything is possible...

another fun technique... rush the shield.. and when they go to swing.... push them back with a bit of Access force and take the arm quickly... and use the dagger to finish the job... its worked for me so far... although... if the other guy is bigger it isnt wise... i learned that one... i still killed him when he opened to take a swing... but when i rushed him i bounced off like a tennis ball on a concrete wall... -_-

[Poo]

I actually saw a guy at Opener fighting with a quarter staff like a madu for those of you that know what it is in his left hand, a short sword in his right hand, and a buckler on his left arm. Seemed to work pretty well for him. But thats fighting with a madu, not a quarterstaff.

[Argent]

madus are allowed?

[Derian]

No, but you can hold both a small quarterstaff and a punch buckler in your hand like a madu.

Shields cannot do damage, so they have to be separate pieces of equipment, but you can certainly hold both at the same time.

[Brennon EH]

As a show of cooperation and goodwill between our two societies, I will be sending anybody who wants to use a quarterstaff over to Belegarth.

[Mekoot Gorlock]

Keisai- If you are good with a quarterstaff goood for you. However, there are a lot of reasons that people don't use them and they are ineffective. The main one being that a quarterstaff in belegarth is nothing like a real quarterstaff. Quarterstaffs narrow at the tips giving the ability to get in small spaces. They are also used to hit people in the head and trip people. This is not true of belegarth quarterstaves. They are wider on the ends, making it hard (almost impossible) to get into small openings (between a person and a shield) and you can't hit people in the head or trip people. The physics of a real quarterstaff, and one of ours are totally different.

I'm not trying to rain out your fun ( so keep using them as long as they are fun), but they are not effective.

[Keisai, of Amaterasu]

Keisai- If you are good with a quarterstaff goood for you. However, there are a lot of reasons that people don't use them and they are ineffective. The main one being that a quarterstaff in belegarth is nothing like a real quarterstaff. Quarterstaffs narrow at the tips giving the ability to get in small spaces. They are also used to hit people in the head and trip people. This is not true of belegarth quarterstaves. They are wider on the ends, making it hard (almost impossible) to get into small openings (between a person and a shield) and you can't hit people in the head or trip people. The physics of a real quarterstaff, and one of ours are totally different.

I'm not trying to rain out your fun ( so keep using them as long as they are fun), but they are not effective.

i get what you mean.... although... i find a quarterstaff to be quite the fun when you know what to do... i more or less enjoy taking off legs... heh.. i like the reach they give me... i know it isnt as great as a real quarter staff... ive studied them too... but it makes Belegarth so much more challenging... it isnt who has the bigger weapon.. or such... its more to who can use that weapon and who is having more fun in my opinion.. and i honestly think using a Quarter staff is fun and also much more challenging... so even though ineffective... it could be nice to use one just for the Experience of mastering it am i right?...

[Cyric]

As a show of cooperation and goodwill between our two societies, I will be sending anybody who wants to use a quarterstaff over to Belegarth.

gee... that's real.... swell... of you.