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by **Physic** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:33 pm

Hey why dont we do a mini SKBC at Octoberfest. We could set aside a small amount of time for the high caliber fighters to pass on training to newer fighters. This could be done in the evening under the lights or before battles.

When I was a newb I was always a bit intimidated to come up to Knights and high caliber fighters and ask for sparring/training. I think this would be a good opportunity encourage some of our newer folks that want to learn how to progress themselves. It would also be good for a solid veteran fighter to get input on what they can work on to become better.

Good Idea?

Lets discuss and see if we can make it happen.

by **Slagar** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:55 pm

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Something along these lines? Or did you have something different in mind?

by **Spyn** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:11 pm

I will be there on Thursday and wouldnt mind teaching a class or two. Drills / Back to Basics class followed Single Sword usually works best as most people cant grasp good two swording until they can fight single sword well with both hands. Barring that, I am just coming to have fun.

Spyn

by **Azgarehta** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:13 pm

Please teach a spear class. A lot of us hear you're good and would like some pointers.

by **Physic** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:22 pm

Im thinking more along the lines of 1 on 1 teaching. Something that would allow a more personal way of teaching someone. The teacher could spend 5-10 minutes with someone doing sparring or drills and then the teacher would be able to give specific instructions on things they can do to improve.

by **varadin** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 2:56 pm

Azgarehta wrote:Please teach a spear class. A lot of us hear you're good and would like some pointers.

i see what you did there

by **Gambit Redband** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 4:11 pm

I vote yes. Clinics with the vets would be extremely valuable and appreciated.

by **Rose** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 5:59 pm

My concern would be time consumption. Spending 5-10 minutes with one person is fine, but there's no telling how many people will want to spend that time with you. I'm trying to get a whole group of new fighters to Fest this year, and this would be a great chance for them to learn, but if they each want to take a class with several knights/solid fighters, then all of the teachers and all of the newbies will be missing some good battles on field. If you did this before fighting or when things are winding down, that could work, but not everyone might get to work with everyone they want. Were you thinking of having this as single blues with this person, flourentine with that person and spears over here? Maybe I'm just overthinking this, but how would you organize these classes if there was a lot of interest?

by **Juicer** » Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:28 am

I'll teach a class! "Surviving Events as a Bum in Modern Belegarth Society 101"

Can I teach two? "Not Being a Complete Tool, With Guest Speaker Dagganoth"

by **Physic** » Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:08 pm

Rose wrote:My concern would be time consumption. Spending 5-10 minutes with one person is fine, but there's no telling how many people will want to spend that time with you. I'm trying to get a whole group of new fighters to Fest this year, and this would be a great chance for them to learn, but if they each want to take a class with several knights/solid fighters, then all of the teachers and all of the newbies will be missing some good battles on field. If you did this before fighting or when things are winding down, that could work, but not everyone might get to work with everyone they want. Were you thinking of having this as single blues with this person, flourentine with that person and spears over here? Maybe I'm just overthinking this, but how would you organize these classes if there was a lot of interest?

I think simple is better in this scenario. Seperate the teachers from the people that want to learn. People there waiting to learn, wait in line until one of the teachers is available. The people volunteering to teach could teach whatever they want. For example, if Kenny was a teacher, he might chose to have florentine, sword and board and single sword to train others. You could approach him, do a few fights against him so he gets a good gauge of the flaws you may have and then he could inform you on ways to improve.

I think 3-5 minutes would actually be a better time frame to spend with each teacher. This whole thing could be limited to an hour. If there is a decent amount of teachers you should be able to cycle through people pretty quickly. Someone might not get to train with everyone but they would still get some solid teaching from the top fighters.

by **Pickles** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:00 pm

I like this idea a lot. They did something similar a long long time ago in Numenor and it worked very well. Tell me if I can do anything to help out with this.

by **Physic** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:59 am

Pickles wrote:I like this idea a lot. They did something similar a long long time ago in Numenor and it worked very well. Tell me if I can do anything to help out with this.

The first step is to find people willing to teach. Any other volunteers?

by **Cyric** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:49 pm

I'd be willing to help.

by **bo1** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:30 pm

thanks cyric but i think we have being a douche coach all set up, thanks for the help though. lol

yep count me in, i can teach people a little about a little.

by **Dabbanoth** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:49 pm

Juicer wrote:I'll teach a class! "Surviving Events as a Bum in Modern Belegarth Society 101"

Can I teach two? "Not Being a Complete Tool, With Guest Speaker Dagganoth"

Im down.

by **Kerb** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:51 pm

I will be at Oct-fest, and I am willing to help teach.

Let me know what you need help in, I can teach most anything.

by **Physic** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:50 pm

When would people like to see this happen? I think Friday in the evening would be pretty good. It could run 7-8 or 8-9? Maybe we could use it to kick off the night fighting.

Cyric you mentioned something in the other thread about the Knights wanting to do something. Would you like to incorporate that into this? It isnt a terrible idea to limit the teachers to only being Knights. Opinions on this?

by **bo1** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:20 pm

many of our best fighters are not knights,

peter, you physic, bahkdar and many others out side belegarth.

it looks pretty silly to say to a guy like leaf or brennon, ya you cant teach sorry, then have them whoop the **** out of the teachers of the classes.

anyone that can teach well should be teaching classes. just my thoughts, and doing it under the lights thursday and friday would be awesome. i think that is the best time for it, makes for a good night life and gives fighters a chance to work on things under a traditional nonfighting time.

by **Big King Jimmy** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:11 pm

My teachers at DeVry are great engineers, they also suck at teaching engineering. Teaching is a skill that doesn't follow from having skill in what's being taught.

by **Cyric** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:20 pm

We had talked about the idea of having a "Knight Corner" for this event, but not limiting it to knights. I'm all for having other non-knight people help with this. i'm just saying there should be some decent people present for people to wander up to and ask for a few minutes of sparring and advice, not just having an hour long class. I think having this under the lights would be a great idea.

I was going to help, but i guess bo says i can't.

by **bo1** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:06 pm

hey you know darn well i was kidding mr, i said LOL.

anywho, i think it is a solid idea. and jimmy is right, skill and teaching skill are different arts all together. that is why peter is so valuable, he has both.

by **The Great Gigsby** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:31 pm

Juicer wrote:I'll teach a class! "Surviving Events as a Bum in Modern Belegarth Society 101"

Do this. As of now it's looking like I'll be landing in Chicago with 1 set of garb, 5 clean pairs underwear, 1 sweet hat, a 2 oz. tube of toothpaste, and a heart full of wonder and spite.

by **Azgarehta** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:24 am

I plan on walking around and find all the best spear fighters in Dag and Bel to fight them, and see if I can pick up some pointers from them. It'd be a shame to be this close to good, experienced fighters, and not attempt to learn a trick or two from them.

by **Kensman Bam** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:22 am

As a Celt persona, I do value one on one combat, but will these classes also teach folks how to line fight or fend of multiple opponents? Just curious.

by **Big King Jimmy** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:50 am

Swordbrother Bam wrote:As a Celt persona, I do value one on one combat, but will these classes also teach folks how to line fight or fend of multiple opponents? Just curious.

From the sound of the format, grab a few guys and hit up one of the vets. With say 3 guys, they'll be able to give you some of the fundamentals on line fighting and 1 vs many.

Classes are passive, you show up and material is presented to you without the need of any action on your part. This is a much more active approach, you take the initiative. You're (in general, not you Bam) the one asking questions, so you're selecting the material to be covered. It would help to know the strengths of specific knights too, ie: Nu minor has great line fighters.

by **Physic** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:28 pm

Swordbrother Bam wrote:As a Celt persona, I do value one on one combat, but will these classes also teach folks how to line fight or fend of multiple opponents? Just curious.

It would be easier if it was limited to one on one training. There isnt going to be a lot of time spent on this as a whole. Teaching group combat takes a lot longer and you usually need more than a handful of people to get a good grasp of what is being taught. I think it would be nice in the future to incorporate teaching people how to fight in large numbers.

by **Jay HellHammer** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:01 pm

Giggles wrote:
Juicer wrote:I'll teach a class! "Surviving Events as a Bum in Modern Belegarth Society 101"
Do this. As of now it's looking like I'll be landing in Chicago with 1 set of garb, 5 clean pairs underwear, 1 sweet hat, a 2 oz. tube of toothpaste, and a heart full of wonder and spite.

Yeah this class needs to be taught. Your paying for a flight and bringing about 8 things too many.

by **Juicer** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:26 am

Giggles wrote:
Juicer wrote:I'll teach a class! "Surviving Events as a Bum in Modern Belegarth Society 101"
Do this. As of now it's looking like I'll be landing in Chicago with 1 set of garb, 5 clean pairs underwear, 1 sweet hat, a 2 oz. tube of toothpaste, and a heart full of wonder and spite.

See me there. You have much to learn. Your heart is in the right place, the class costs four pairs of clean underwear.

by **Tessa** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:43 pm

I think these sound like great ideas.
.. But I think Physic has a point...classes bad.... one on one good...

"just mine and morgakh two cents on the matter"

by **The Great Gigsby** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:05 pm

Personally, I think a class set up is better because a class can focus on something more specific like feints, stabs, shield bashing, single sword, and so forth. Unless it's a really good teacher, 5-10 minutes of 1 on 1 time isn't long enough for me to really work on a skill and improve it. My time would be better spent just ditching or sparring. And if we're just talking about walking up to PtQ or Spyn or Bhakdar and saying "Hey, would you mind sparring with me for ten minutes, maybe give me some pointers?" how is that a class or bootcamp?

Juicer wrote:
Giggles wrote:
Juicer wrote:I'll teach a class! "Surviving Events as a Bum in Modern Belegarth Society 101"
Do this. As of now it's looking like I'll be landing in Chicago with 1 set of garb, 5 clean pairs underwear, 1 sweet hat, a 2 oz. tube of toothpaste, and a heart full of wonder and spite.

See me there. You have much to learn. Your heart is in the right place, the class costs four pairs of clean underwear.

... but I need those most of all. :cry:

Can I pay you in spite, hats, and toothpaste instead?

by **p_quick** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:34 am

yea i'm game, I'm sure Ed the Dread is game as well.

lets look at who we have

Physic - probably something with a pole
Cyric - douche coach
Bo - little by little
Kerb - being tall and lefty
Spyn - single sword because two sword is to complex
Dread - knuckle dragging
PtQ - Cheating :roll:

but in all seriousness i'm totally game to teach any way we want to teach. one on one, class style, small group. anything the crowd wants.

I think i'd up for teaching a crowd fighting class (one on many).

by **Michael** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:59 am

I hate that I will be missing this since teaching fighting skills is an area of great interest to me. Unfortunately my work has me out in Cali that weekend. I look forward to seeing most of you later in the fall and hearing complete reports of how this went. I also look forward to detailed analysis here on the forum.

by **p_quick** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:03 pm

MHoG you will be missed

by **The Great Gigsby** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:16 pm

p_quick wrote:I think i'd up for teaching a crowd fighting class (one on many).

That would be awesome and I'd sign up for sure.

by **Jorel** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:46 pm

Being tall and lefty, I'm there and learning.

by **Slagar** » Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:29 am

This sounds like it may turn out really well. Any chance that this stuff will wind up on tape for us poor unfortunate souls who'll miss it?

by **BattleChrist** » Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:45 pm

I'm not positive if I'm going to make it or not but if I do I would be down to help out if you need more people.

by **Aelin Greenbough** » Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:00 pm

This will be my first time to a big Bel event, and I'm going to be combing it for every kernel o' knowledge. Due to that newness, though, I have questions regarding the boot camp:

Is there likely to be a dollar sign attached to this? Running on a shoestring, it's nice to know...

Actually, I guess that's my only question for now. I'm watching this thread, and I'm * well going to take every stab at improvement I get. If anyone ever feels the overpowering urge to teach, look for the lanky fellow in green with the weasel on his tabard.

by **Big King Jimmy** » Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:28 pm

NaCl wrote:This will be my first time to a big Bel event, and I'm going to be combing it for every kernel o' knowledge. Due to that newness, though, I have questions regarding the boot camp:

Is there likely to be a dollar sign attached to this? Running on a shoestring, it's nice to know...

Actually, I guess that's my only question for now. I'm watching this thread, and I'm * well going to take every stab at improvement I get. If anyone ever feels the overpowering urge to teach, look for the lanky fellow in green with the weasel on his tabard.

Nope. If someone tries to charge you for knowledge at a Bel event, you should turn them a VERY critical eye.

by **Azgarehta** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:07 am

I'll have to pay them in cans of spaghetti-os

by **bo1** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:36 pm

if you are truely on hard times find me i can make sure you wont die at the event, i will even ensure a level of comfort. unless you are a douche bag, then i will put you in the fire.

by **Physic** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:28 pm

What time would people like to start this? I suggest shortly after feast but before night fighting on either Friday or Saturday or both.

by **BattleChrist** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:53 pm

bo1 wrote:if you are truely on hard times find me i can make sure you wont die at the event, i will even ensure a level of comfort. unless you are a douche bag, then i will put you in the fire.

If I make it we are so going to hang out...

by **Dane** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:45 pm

Bro out, if you will.

by **Sir Misti** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:56 pm

Can you guys do this on say....
Wednesday
Thursday
and/or Saturday?

The gladiator pit is on Friday, and I would hate to take away from either..."classes" awesome...and gladiator pit=awesome...both need lights and would be after feast on Friday...bad idea.

I know I haven't got around to posting the "schedule of events" yet...I'm actually putting them together right now...SO! Could you choose another night(s) other than Friday...and if so, I would be more than happy to include them in the schedule so everyone knows about it.

Thanks!!! Please let me know asap!

by **Iorek** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:06 pm

ON Sir Misti's note I'd say Saturday since not as many people will be out by Thursday. Not to mention (being one of those people who can't make it until friday) I've been told most of the people who show up on Thursday are the better fighters anyways.

Please correct if wrong =)

by **Sir Misti** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:27 pm

Why not multiple nights? It sounds like fun enough to have more than just one night...plus there is always lots to learn. But, I won't be there...most likely "stuck" in troll...but I'm just throwing it out there as an option to you guys...but I must know for sure soon so I can get the hand outs printed off. That is, if you guys want it put on there. If I don't get a definate answer by tomorrow morning, I'm having them printed off with out it. Sorry guys...I know that may sound ****...but I have 600-ish pieces of paper to fold and I want to get it out of the way now that I have almost everything on them done.

Thanks!!!

by **Physic** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:47 pm

Thank you Misti, I would just schedule it on Saturday. If people really want to do it on Thursday we can have an informal get together with it. Thanks for all of your hard work.

by **Sir Misti** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:16 am

Saturday it is! No problem, Physic!

Thanks!

by **Bhakdar** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:02 pm

I'm in to help.

If its Thursday, I'll host sword/board basics.

If its Saturday, it's gonna be Crunk Combat.

With the banter of this thread, it seems a pretty good panel could be set up for 'Smack Talk and Smugness" as well.

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