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by **Sir_Mel** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 6:26 pm

Slagar wrote:I'll do my best to work with you on this. I'll even promise not to stab you in the junk..

This is a downright lie.

by **Geshtal** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:15 am

DON'T DO IT
Min red is... ok to do but i would hardly ever use both. I usually toss one up in the air (distracts most new/incompetent fighters sometimes maybe even a vet on an off day making them raise their shield) then go for a leg shot or a red to their shield

by **dylangettier** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:21 pm

yeah im a noob and im pretty sure all you gotta do is knock those big swords outta the way... you wont have much control with two of 'em.... all it takes is to bash them outta the way i.e. sword or shield ec. and a quick stab and your F*cked

by **Slagar** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:48 pm

dylangettier wrote:yeah im a noob and im pretty sure

This right here is why most of my buddies don't hang on the boards.

You're right, kid. Now go find someone to fight and actually do it.

by **Glendor** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:50 pm

This reminds me of someone who once wanted me to make 8 foot long spears essentially that you held on a cross like this + and besides the fact that they are illegal I believe for being a punch weapon techniqually they would be extremely easy to move out of the way. It was one of the worst noob weapon designs I have ever seen...

by **Sir_Mel** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:32 pm

Glendor wrote:This reminds me of someone who once wanted me to make 8 foot long spears essentially that you held on a cross like this + and besides the fact that they are illegal I believe for being a punch weapon techniqually they would be extremely easy to move out of the way. It was one of the worst noob weapon designs I have ever seen...

It's one of the worst I've ever heard too since what you said doesn't make any sense.

by **No'Vak** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:46 pm

Teh Mel wrote:
Glendor wrote:This reminds me of someone who once wanted me to make 8 foot long spears essentially that you held on a cross like this + and besides the fact that they are illegal I believe for being a punch weapon techniqually they would be extremely easy to move out of the way. It was one of the worst noob weapon designs I have ever seen...

It's one of the worst I've ever heard too since what you said doesn't make any sense.

I've been trying to figure that out since December 10 at 9:50 pm CST...

by **Loptr** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:55 pm

Soo Ma Tai wrote:My advice, don't do it. Dual reds are going to be too unwieldy. It will be much to easy for another fighter to simply push them aside and step in to smoke you. I don't really have any good advice for you if you really want to do it...develop gorilla arms would be my best.

No you can't break shields with blue stikes.

In a nut shell this is what I was going to post. Florentine long swords is generally made of fail if you want peeps to take your shots. Its simply a mechanic of sufficient force.

Having said that I'd love to fight you with your flo reds, this kinda **** is good for my ego from time to time. To keep it fun I will use flo 28's (hobbit swords)

Loptr
Your in Aquilonia? That is perfect! Hitch a ride for the next border wars, it will be a party.

by **Forkbeard** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:28 pm

Why don't you come to practice, little ninja. We'll start up again after the holidays. First, we'll inspect your swords and then you can convince me of your prowess with monster florentine.
We'll have this sorted out on short order.
FB

by **Arrakis** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:34 pm

Yesssssssssssssssssss.

Take Video.

by **No'Vak** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:39 pm

Fork will get dominated by that.

by **Soo Ma Tai** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:50 pm

Noik wrote:Fork will get dominated by that.

ROTFLMAO!!!!

by **Nibenon** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:06 pm

Do do da do do

by **Forkbeard** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:32 am

No, seriously, come to practice. We have a grip o' loaner weapons. After you try out your theory about fighting you can try all the other combinations of weapons and shields and decide what you like. And more importantly, what will work for you.
FB

by **Orso,** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:53 pm

Well said Fork.

by **Poo** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 2:15 am

If i remember correctly.. i wanna say troll at spring wars did this effectively. Can't know till he tries it, FB'll set him straight. Anyways, swords look decent.

by **Forkbeard** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:30 am

True. They do look good. I've had a regular flood of people show up out of nowhere with well made weapon this year. Lots of sharp people around here who can follow directions.
FB

by **Slagar** » Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:21 am

Poo wrote:If i remember correctly.. i wanna say troll at spring wars did this effectively. Can't know till he tries it, FB'll set him straight. Anyways, swords look decent.

When Guts wants to goof around, he does this. Troll might have also, but I've usually seen Guts doing it. I've even seen him do decently, on the right field. With enough of a skill advantage, you can win a fight with anything. It's when you run into someone who's as good as you or better that it'd be nice to have decent weapons handy.

by **Krimson Ninja** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:00 pm

So when are you planning on starting practice again?

by **Derian** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 4:43 am

Troll is only good with it because he has the lung capacity to make sufficient sound effects while spinning in circles over and over.

by **Forkbeard** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:48 pm

We'll be starting practice again in late Feb, or March. As soon as it's possible to fight out doors after work.
There will be a boarder war in SLC later this month. Watch the Events forum.
FB

by **Teej** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:24 am

Krimson Ninja wrote:I’m just trying to bring something new to the table.

30, almost 40 year old sport/game... trust me, 95% of the time... it's been done. Don't let that discourage you for trying to contribute to the sport... just make sure you fight on the national field and read through the forums before you start coming up with revolutionary ideas.

by **No'Vak** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:35 am

TeeDge wrote:
Krimson Ninja wrote:I’m just trying to bring something new to the table.

30, almost 40 year old sport/game... trust me, 95% of the time... it's been done. Don't let that discourage you for trying to contribute to the sport... just make sure you fight on the national field and read through the forums before you start coming up with revolutionary ideas.

Unless he wants to just have fun. Which is a reason some people play this game, after all. Not to be teh uber awesome elite at it.

by **Osric/Mageta** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:04 pm

I look forward to killing him soon.

by **dylangettier** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:42 pm

ha my edhellen sword is about 44" and it'd be a real * to use it left-handed... i couldn't imagine using two of those.... slow, clumsy, unsafe, tiring

although i think all of that was covered already

by **No'Vak** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:35 pm

I didn't know they made a 44" sword.

by **dylangettier** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:48 pm

32" blade... 10" handle... about 2" pommel.... i didn't mean tha blade, i was talking about the entire length

by **Frozgaar** » Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:42 pm

Florentine is the primary style I fight in and I use two 38'' swords (edhellen). In general, even this can be considered too long for florentining, mainly due to its weight. However, since I started out using stupidly heavy 3/4 PVC core loaners the first 6 months upon starting I've conditioned myself to be able to wield the 38'' edhellen swords with decent speed compared to many others using the same sword. I am aware that I'd be alot quicker and possibly more effective if I switched to shorter swords, but I enjoy the little bit of extra range. On top of that my arms are pretty long so I like to fight my opponent at a distance where I can hit him/her but he/she can't hit me. That's just the way I like to fight.

That being said, Krimson if you want to use swords that give you a range advantage I'd suggest you do as I do. Anything more than 38'' is pointless because that's all you need to have enough of a range advantage on a lot of sword & board/other florentine fighters.

If you want to buy your swords I'd suggest getting edhellen long broad swords with 10'' handles (38'' total length). Their long sword is also 38'' but it seems a little bit heavier. Also the 10'' handle allows for alot more versatility because you can choke up on your grip when your opponent gets too close.

I'd just like to add that I've only been in the sport for a little more than a year and a half so I'm by no means an expert. I'm simply suggesting what I think would work best for you. If you wish to continue on with your dual 53'' reds, knock yourself out. Just try not to knock anyone else out...

by **Tobia Blackthorn** » Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:49 pm

Frozgaar wrote:Just try not to knock anyone else out...

Have to agree with that part...

by **Todo** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:37 am

Noik wrote:I didn't know they made a 44" sword.

They were inspired by my penis.

by **Shino** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:17 pm

Kargos duel wields 50 inch reds.

It can be done and done well.

by **Big King Jimmy** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:18 pm

And Kargos is a beast. He pushes over forests.

by **Vandey** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:00 pm

My question is.. what about the metal handles?? *.* that dosnt seem safe at all not for you or anyone ur fighting.. i think it would hurt like hell.. but idk you guys might know something else on that subject im just trying to help. also if u wanna do reds why not just min reds?? it would give you your reach and such but not be as ungodly hard to use. sorry if i just totally reposted someone elses answer =p

by **Satanaka** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:54 pm

are you guys forgetting that he may have the all powerful "Dragon Twister"???? :devil:

Also uh- a red in one hand is called : "A BLUE".... or "class 1"

good luck with that.

by **Forkbeard** » Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:20 am

In the interest of derailing this thread further, What "metal handles" Vandey?
FB

by **RacheEbf** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:17 pm

Zvolf used the 2 red combination very effectively. At least as effectively as anyone could.

ripexz wrote:
Krimson Ninja wrote:Well thanks, I was looking for tips rather than rude comments. Is there some sort of rule in the book of war against florentine reds? I know they can't break shields unless I have two hands on them so I’m using them for reach and if needs be I drop one. So please tell me what is so funny.

did you ever try to fight with them yet? you must be some strong dude. a lot of people preffer fighting with 32-36 inch blues florentine. just try swinging both of them for 15 minutes without stopping at full force at some punchbag or something. how do your arms feel after that?

well think of dark ages when battles lasted for hours or days and the swords were WAAAAAAY heavier.

oh and question to everyone, is it only 2h-wielded reds that can break shields or can you break them with 2 hits from a blue?

by **Vandey** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 8:50 am

I could have swore he said something about weighting the handles with metal. hmm im like 99% sure i saw something about this.. but this thread is way to long to go find it.. but anyway wouldnt that be killer unsafe??

by **Slagar** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:42 am

Nah. Lots of people weight their handles with roof flashing or wire wrap. You put it under the rope wrap or the pommel. Just don't wait it with tacks or spikes, and you're fine.

by **Arrakis** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:09 am

All of my swords have metal on the handle/pommel area. It's fine.

by **Forkbeard** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:48 am

I put 1/4", sometimes up to 1/2" steel bars on my handles. I glue them along side the core in the handle in order to make my handles oblong. This gives you counterweight were you want it and an oblong grip to keep you from flatting people.
No, it is not dangerous in any way. The metal in question in is cover first by the rope and second by my hand. It is in no way near any striking surface.
I do this with every sword I make and modify all the swords I get already made.
FB

by **Vandey** » Sat Feb 27, 2010 5:17 pm

Ahhh since you put it like that now it makes more sense it just didnt sound very safe. metal = painful. or at least most of the time

by **Beck** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 5:27 pm

Okay, I don't want to make a new topic that will only require one answer and this one seems a bit derailed anyway plus it's slightly relevant.

I want to make a min red, edhellen 1/2" round fiberglass, and there basic blade fry. three layers, one being routed out. For a 48 1/2" red. Would this pass considering my craftsmanship is adquete n all that. 1/2 inch for stabby tip, cloth Ect.

by **Slagar** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:31 pm

I'm not 100% sure what you're asking. The one thing I caught here: you want to use a "standard" fry for a red sword. Assuming you mean the standard edhellen blue fry, this will not pass, and will be pretty horribly unsafe. A blue fry doesn't have adequate padding for use on a red. I think they sell red reblade kits also, though. Not 100% sure on the options there.

Other than that, I'll let better foamsmiths than me point you in the right direction.

by **Beck** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:40 pm

Slagar wrote:I'm not 100% sure what you're asking. The one thing I caught here: you want to use a "standard" fry for a red sword. Assuming you mean the standard edhellen blue fry, this will not pass, and will be pretty horribly unsafe. A blue fry doesn't have adequate padding for use on a red. I think they sell red reblade kits also, though. Not 100% sure on the options there.

Other than that, I'll let better foamsmiths than me point you in the right direction.

Yes, their standard blue fry.
Although, I want to clarify I'm making a min red 48 1/2". Not some six foot monster with a crossgaurd. And when I read their webstie while looking at kits and materials. "It's what they use on anything 52" an under."
http://www.edhellen.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=EA&Product_Code=kitblade&Category_Code=kits-mats

Edhellen wrote:Each blade comes pre-routed and pre-toothed. The one-handed sword reblade makes up to a 36" blade (cut to fit for shorter blades) and this is what we use for * swords and anything shorter.

* sword is a 48" sword that does not meet the weight requirment.(only 20oz)

I'll try to be more specific. 1/2" round fiberglass core from edhellen.
edhellen blue blade fry. 3 layers and one of those is routed.

by **Poo** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:47 pm

Sorry Slagar, i think you're wrong here. I'm almost positive that the * sword is made with the blue fry. Its perfectly safe.

by **Arrakis** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:58 pm

Poo wrote:Sorry Slagar, i think you're wrong here. I'm almost positive that the * sword is made with the blue fry. Its perfectly monstrous.

FTFY, Poo. I'm sorry, but I've been hit with Edh blue fries on Red swords and I **** HATE it. **** is Not Safe. I should be able to use all of my fingers after two or three Redsword duels, especially if I was wearing heavy leather gloves.

by **Beck** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:00 pm

So a no go? Or do I just slap another blue layer on there or something? ugh this turned into a legit thread.

by **No'Vak** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:23 pm

You should be fine. Just do it.

by **Beck** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:32 pm

Ok, I'm making it, mini-thread over. If it doesn't work then I shorten it to a blue.

by **Slagar** » Sun Feb 28, 2010 10:57 pm

Yeah, I think I may have been wrong on this one. They've got their website laid out differently than they used to (or I just suck, one of the two). Your plan is solid, go with it. Worst case scenario, it fails and you cut it down.

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