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shield and javelin: shank and plank?

Postby fishstix » Thu Dec 23, 2010 2:17 am

i realize the importance of being able to join a shield line and that it makes a fighter better rounded and better at other styles, but i just can't get into sword and board and even less into bat and board. so what i'm wondering is has/can it reasonably be done to have a shield and several javs and use them primarily as shortspears with the option to chuck one on occasion. is this against any rules or just a terrible plan?

PS (pre-emptive script): fork i know you want me to use a sword but i'm just checking out my options.
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Re: shield and javelin: shank and plank?

Postby Dane » Thu Dec 23, 2010 5:58 pm

Not against the rules, just terribly ineffective.
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Re: shield and javelin: shank and plank?

Postby Mannajax » Thu Dec 23, 2010 8:51 pm

I do it at my realm. Of course I'm pretty darn new so my skills are all pretty low, but i can hang. Being able to hold at pommel with 4' range then choke up for close up shots, and being able to switch between the two quickly helps a lot. I also carry a spare dagger for when they get inside. On a line you'll be able to help a lot. Solo, speed and footwork will be your friend. Practice pell work so you can hit a striking arm, or an unguarded. Play with your javelin enough so it goes where you will it. Also, my jav has a 3/4" pvc core so its a bit more sturdy to block with. Has extra padding on head to make it safer.
Actually, to rewind a little bit, i frequently play with a jav/dagger combo, but I'm sure if my noob self can make that work, then you can make shank and plank work just fine. Have a back up, be fast, be unpredictable. You'll live... sometimes.
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Re: shield and javelin: shank and plank?

Postby Dane » Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:48 pm

Dane wrote:Not against the rules, just terribly ineffective.
Graavish wrote:it's not the weight of the weapon that makes for a solid hit, it's how much i don't like you when i'm swinging.

If they don't take it, then it wasn't sufficient.
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Re: shield and javelin: shank and plank?

Postby Peanut of Loderia » Thu Dec 23, 2010 11:21 pm

Dane wrote:
Dane wrote:Not against the rules, just terribly ineffective.
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Re: shield and javelin: shank and plank?

Postby fishstix » Thu Dec 23, 2010 11:38 pm

Peanut of Loderia wrote:
Dane wrote:
Dane wrote:Not against the rules, just terribly ineffective.


k guys i think i got the idea now. i'll resign myself to holding a line with a sword lol
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Re: shield and javelin: shank and plank?

Postby Isk » Fri Dec 24, 2010 3:20 am

If sword and board isn't working for you, build a spear. A good spear guy is a very valuable part of that shield line you're talking about.
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Re: shield and javelin: shank and plank?

Postby Big King Jimmy » Fri Dec 24, 2010 3:41 am

Peanut of Loderia wrote:
Dane wrote:
Dane wrote:Not against the rules, just terribly ineffective.
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Re: shield and javelin: shank and plank?

Postby Cheeseheart » Fri Dec 24, 2010 4:13 am

Heehee....now y'all are doing things my way.
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If you're so inclined to use javelins, have one in your off-hand and go with a sword in your other one. Best of both worlds. IMO, there's a place for everyone in a shield line....the particular idea you're describing, well, you'd ought to just stay in the back of the line and chuck them, get good at aiming, and you'll do your part. But I'd get used to sword and board anyway, because when your line is gone, and your there with a bunch of javelins and a shield, you're dead Leonidas.
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Re: shield and javelin: shank and plank?

Postby No'Vak » Fri Dec 24, 2010 9:56 am

Mannajax wrote:Also, my jav has a 3/4" pvc core so its a bit more sturdy to block with. Has extra padding on head to make it safer.


Will that still pass with the new weight max??
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Re: shield and javelin: shank and plank?

Postby Mannajax » Fri Dec 24, 2010 11:56 am

I don't have a scale so I never weighed it, but herald said he thought it felt fine. I guess I'll have to go to post office and have it weighed now though. It probably won't pass the 16oz rule which sucks because I love that the crap outta that thing. I've seen people take short range face shots with it and be fine. Now I'm going to have to change my style... Again.
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Re: shield and javelin: shank and plank?

Postby No'Vak » Fri Dec 24, 2010 12:07 pm

Yeah I know the rule is retarded.
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Re: shield and javelin: shank and plank?

Postby Arrakis » Sat Dec 25, 2010 11:07 am

Mannajax wrote:I don't have a scale so I never weighed it, but herald said he thought it felt fine. I guess I'll have to go to post office and have it weighed now though. It probably won't pass the 16oz rule which sucks because I love that the crap outta that thing. I've seen people take short range face shots with it and be fine. Now I'm going to have to change my style... Again.


This is retarded.

3/4" PVC?? 4' of that weighs 14 ounces! I build a 13 oz javelin on a 3.5 ounce piece of kitespar the other day. That means mine had like 9.5 ounces of foam and cloth and tape on it. If yours has ANY more foam weight on it (and I GUARANTEE it does, as I did stuff like use lightweight cloth to cover the haft instead of tape), it ALREADY FAILS.

Slap your retarded weapons checker in the mouth and tell him to start weighing at least the dangerous **** with a maximum weight, even if he's too * lazy to weight blues and reds.
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Re: shield and javelin: shank and plank?

Postby Peanut of Loderia » Sat Dec 25, 2010 10:48 pm

3.8.3. A missile Weapon must travel its entire length to score a hit.

A lot of people forget this rule. If your javelin doesnt travel at least four feet from where it begins its flight it doesnt count.
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Re: shield and javelin: shank and plank?

Postby Sir_Mel » Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:55 am

Also, this style already has a documented name. Rhun Closer 2008, it was dubbed "Zulu style" as part of the 'Ring of Steel' tourney.
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Re: shield and javelin: shank and plank?

Postby Remdawg Killionaire » Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:08 pm

At the PSU club they have an overabundence of Javelins. One guys rolls around with duel javs, one guy with what style you're talking about.
What's sad is they can actually make it work, as it's a lot of ubernewbs. Both have backgrounds in boxing and with footwork and intensity they make it work. If it's something you wanna try out, go for it. Don't expect to win a lot. I play inside game, and once I'm inside their guard, they're dead.
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