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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:21 am 
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Hello everyone,

I am in the process of ordering new equipment online to replace my gear I've lost long ago. I'm confident in getting a small strap shield ( 18" diameter) but I'm having trouble deciding on the sword to go with it. I'm used to a 24" blade, but that was when I was using a larger shield. Right now I'm thinking about either getting a 24" blade with 10" handle, or just upping to the 28" blade. Any thoughts?

I also became curious to see if anyone out there feels that there is an offensive to defensive equipment ratio. I think there is, there larger the shield the shorter the weapon, and vice versa.

Thanks for any advice,

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 12:03 pm 
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With a smaller shield I'd say go 30"-34" total and see what you like. Depending on how tall you are and your arm length, you could up to 36".

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:51 pm 
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A good rule of thumb to go by is with a smaller shield, go with a longer sword and vice versa. With the more limited defense a small shield presents the reach of the longer sword makes up for it. With a bigger shield and small sword, you get in close and grind.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:38 pm 
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Not at all. Not even a little. Sword length and shield size are completely unrelated. And each is a matter of preference, within certain reasonable ranges. Anywhere between 30-34" swords are perfect for most players, regardless of shield size. Some others prefer more unconventional kits (Sir Tybalt, Sir Joemick), but that's their call and not typical of most fighters.

Also, an 18" shield is very, very small. Without knowing how big you are, or whether it's strapped or center-grip, I can't say for sure, but that may be smaller than you find effective. While I've gotten my * handed to me by folks holding smaller, I'd still be a little skeptical to see one.

In any case, let us know how it goes. Good luck with the new kit.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:32 pm 
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That's true Slagar. I'm actually 5'-10". 190 lbs. So, not a huge target but not a bean pole either, you know? I'm used to standard round shields, so I'm down sizing to see how my came will change. I went with a 24" blade and a 6" handle.

But it seems obvious, in theory, that as the defensive radius around the body decreased that a stronger offense would develop. You know, if I can't allow the fighter to close in, then ensure a further distance. But, I'll definitely let everyone know how it worked out.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:36 pm 
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vek wrote:

I also became curious to see if anyone out there feels that there is an offensive to defensive equipment ratio

Vek



I think the first problem is you classify a shield as defensive. Aggressive shield work is super important. I prefer a 24x30 punch heater and 51 inch sword. But as Slagar said I'm unconventional

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:28 pm 
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standard gear is 28 round and 32 sword. when you change either number you should ahve a darn good reason.
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reasons to go longer sword: reach for line fighting, range for being sneaky with range, force you to dictate range and threat radious.
reaons to go shorter: grinding opponents, speed, force you to close better and more often.
reasons to go larger with shield: more defence, more reach to move opponents equipment around, fighting more people at once.
reasons to go smaller: force you to be active with defence, make you mroe mobile by forcing you to use range instead of standing and banging away, tilt the balance against you forcing you to have to try harder to survive, or move legs.

these lists are just an example there are tons of reasons for all the changes, but make sure you know why you are changing and what you need to work on when you change to stay effective.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:40 pm 
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Bo, you might be interested to know, I read an answer to a question on shield size by Duke Paul of Bellatrix of the SCA the other day on the Ask Paul board of the Armor Archive and he indicated that 24" was plenty of shield and that 28" of round shield is getting out of handle-able range for "most" fighters.

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When I was still fighting a lot with a sword and shield, I started using a 24 inch round, then migrated to a 24x26 “sort of oval”, which I eventually changed to a 22x26 inch. This was strapped so that my arm was along the long axis, and my elbow was very close to the back edge.

This provides a fairly long reach for punch blocking, and very good vision. It also requires a very active style. My personal preference is to use a shield that leaves viable targets both above and below the shield, when it is held in an on-guard position.

This doesn’t make it the most effective shield on the field, but it will assist in building your skill, which fits in with my goals.

If you live in a region where everyone uses large shields, this may not be appropriate. If your Hoplite need or wants to increase the size, I’d suggest a 26-inch round. After that, they start getting in your way. He/she might make a 28 inch round work, but that’s pushing it.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 5:36 pm 
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This thread just got interesting.

I will say there is a correlation between shield size and sword length. If I rock a 30" round and a 40" sword, my shot selection is ****. Just like if I use a tower. If I use a 24" sword and a tower I have a few more options, but not many. Inversely, if I have a 12" punch and a 36" sword it's hard to control the fight the way it should be, with range and such.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:15 pm 
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bo1 wrote:
standard gear is 28 round and 32 sword. when you change either number you should ahve a darn good reason.
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reaons to go shorter: speed.

reasons to go smaller: force you to be active with defence, make you mroe mobile by forcing you to use range instead of standing and banging away, tilt the balance against you forcing you to have to try harder to survive, or move legs.


These are actually the reasons why I am switching up my fighting style.

And Joemick thanks for catching that, I am also really aggressive with my shield as an offensive weapon.

To run with Solusar I do agree that after a certain point it becomes cumbersome to combine a large shield and long sword. I've seen fighters will use a a buckler and halfling sword just for fun, not really effect.

But how does visibility tie when considering how to combine our equipment? I remember I saw Tor at Yestare years ago. He used a huge tower and a small hammer the size of his hand, and destroyed his opponents. While another fighter Slice in comparison used a long sword and very small shield with devastating effect.

I feel that a longer sword, and I think 32" is long, requires a smaller shield to allow better visibility of an opponent not only at a distance but when they close in. While a tower shield allows for, if not demands, a smaller sword to allow quick shots across the upper torso.

This is general theory based on observation and practice, there of course those unique, exceptional fighters that have mastered a really cool combo.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:55 am 
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32", end to end, is pretty much average length for swords. Anything longer than 34" is considered long, shorter than 30" is short. 30 - 34 is the sweet spot for most mid- to short-range fighters.

I prefer a 32-33" sword, 28" round. If using a punch round, I'll go smaller, 20 - 24".

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:26 pm 
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on the unconventional. i use a larger than normal punch heater and 49"-52" red in one hand. my "short" swords are 36" long.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:07 am 
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I use a 30in round punch or low strap, and 32-34in swords. I feel that its the perfect combo, at least to me. I can move around easily and have all my shot angles. I'm 6'0 though and about 260.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:40 am 
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Tyrieal Isenguard wrote:
I use a 30in round punch or low strap, and 32-34in swords. I feel that its the perfect combo, at least to me. I can move around easily and have all my shot angles. I'm 6'0 though and about 260.

This is an important point I didn't make. I'm 5'6" so using 36" in swords is asinine unless I have a really small shield. Body size is relative to weapon size.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:42 am 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:43 pm 
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6'3", 210. So my 28" strap round covers less of me than it would you. FYI, when considering shield size for your new kit.

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<----5'2", 155. 28' shield covers much more. But then again not being a cheating lefty hurts a bit.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:03 pm 
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6'3", 210. So my 28" strap round covers less of me than it would you. FYI, when considering shield size for your new kit.


Hunh, I always pictured you as a shorty in my head.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:11 am 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:06 pm 
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Hey all,

So my new kit from Edhellen arrived after the event, but I did use something similar. I fought with a 21" round shield and a 24" sword. The combo was surprisingly effective. Although I was extremely vulnerable, my reflex speed and range of vision completely compensated. Really, the emphasis switches to leg work, this combo sacrifices the ability to remain stationary for very long. But over all for my height and build, I am very satisfied with the switch. Also, it allowed for much more aggressive shield work. I could intercept shots with much more range and flexibility then I could with a larger shield, and get in and lock an opponents arm with more ease. But, this is just me.

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