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Post subject: Re: Medics Guild Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:00 pm |
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Tails if it is ok, would like to add something to that list...
Salt Water or salt tablets, or salted soda crackers
For the people who get heat exhaustion or are getting close to it, salt is a must
_________________ Squire Antoinette Finnrsdottir, the Moosewitch Squire to Dragoon Dopp Master Seneschal BMCS Public Relations Coordinator 2020-2021 "Spontaneous combustion is a myth. If you burst into flame, someone wanted you to." ~Chandra Nalaar
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MorganDrakeheart
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Post subject: Re: Medics Guild Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:18 pm |
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In reference to people that are drunk, I think simple observational assessment can come into play there.
The belt flags indicate that you are certified, nothing else. They don't negate common sense.
_________________ Sgt. Môrgan Drakeheart of the Moredian Murder, Death, Assassination, Kill Squad - FTW, 4LIFE
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Post subject: Re: Medics Guild Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:20 pm |
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Antoinette wrote: Tails if it is ok, would like to add something to that list...
Salt Water or salt tablets, or salted soda crackers
For the people who get heat exhaustion or are getting close to it, salt is a must That's what gatoraid is for, isnt it?
_________________ Sgt. Môrgan Drakeheart of the Moredian Murder, Death, Assassination, Kill Squad - FTW, 4LIFE
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Post subject: Re: Medics Guild Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:40 pm |
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MorganDrakeheart wrote: In reference to people that are drunk, I think simple observational assessment can come into play there.
The belt flags indicate that you are certified, nothing else. They don't negate common sense. Displaying certification means that people will recognize you as a source of aid. If you are impaired, you are not in proper condition to provide proper care to anyone beyond yourself. If you're planning on drinking, first thing you should do is take off the flag.
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Post subject: Re: Medics Guild Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:25 am |
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Thanks for the reply Tails. Yeah, my kit is over complicated. I'll make up one as you have suggested and have it on me when I'm not fighting. All in in all, it should be pretty cheap to keep and maintain. Personal kits are probably just the best way to go.
Oh, have we decided on a symbol? I know the charter that we proposed to WC had two options for symbols (I thought I read that anyway). I'll probably make a satchel or something to make carrying easy and period, and I would like to have something to mark it with.
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Post subject: Re: Medics Guild Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:44 am |
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Thurat wrote: Oh, have we decided on a symbol?. Nothing Crazy, A Red cross in a white circle. Caleidah wrote: Displaying certification means that people will recognize you as a source of aid. If you are impaired, you are not in proper condition to provide proper care to anyone beyond yourself. If you're planning on drinking, first thing you should do is take off the flag. QFT Antoinette wrote: Salt Water or salt tablets, or salted soda crackers Pretty sure that was an urban myth.
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Post subject: Re: Medics Guild Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:47 am |
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Fair enough, but first thing you should do when asking for someone else to assist you in an emergency is make sure they're capable of doing so. If I'm performing CPR on a person, I want as many capable hands with me to help rotate in and out, so no one gets too tired.
If I see someone is too drunk to do that, but they have an appropriate belt flag, I'm not going to stop to tell them off for not taking their belt flag off. I'm gonna tell them to go **** sober up, and find the * AED (probably useing those exact words).
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Post subject: Re: Medics Guild Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:29 pm |
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MorganDrakeheart wrote: If I see someone is too drunk to do that, but they have an appropriate belt flag, I'm not going to stop to tell them off for not taking their belt flag off. I'm gonna tell them to go **** sober up, and find the * AED (probably useing those exact words). I'm gonna quote one of those drunk driving PSAs Quote: It's easy to tell if someones had way too many drinks, but it's hard to tell if someone's had one too many. Besides, if someone is drunk or in shock, they are not going to be able to tell who is good to go or not. I don't want to use belt flags because I don't want any grey area. Either you are 100% in or you are 100% out. Some medics are not going to want to stay in all event, and that's fine, but I want no confusion at all.
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Post subject: Re: Medics Guild Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:58 pm |
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Morgan, for reference, I was more or less quoting what I've been learning in my EMT classes thus far. Two drinks within an eight hour period before your shift is enough to be considered "impaired" for the purposes of EMS.
_________________ Knight of Grond Palatine of the Sons of Sylas "But in life, the young king becomes a tyrant, and leads his people to war."
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Post subject: Re: Medics Guild Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:26 pm |
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  These are really simple arm bands that I made up in a few minutes. White cross on the band (had the red paint, but no white cloth!) and some cheap Velcro. They can be removed in seconds, and put on relatively simply. What'cha think, Tails?
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Post subject: Re: Medics Guild Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:17 pm |
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Antoinette wrote: Tails if it is ok, would like to add something to that list...
Salt Water or salt tablets, or salted soda crackers
For the people who get heat exhaustion or are getting close to it, salt is a must Except giving too much salt makes a person thirsty, possibly causing them to drink too much water and suffer hyponatremia. I suffered it in boot camp years ago when i was salting my water every so often to prevent heat exhaustion and the full body cramps were ridiculously painful. Be careful with this idea.
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Post subject: Re: Medics Guild Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:15 pm |
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Red cross on white is traditional, but I'm not gonna be a color nazi, as long as taking it off is as easy as "pull" that's fine.
Also about drinking, I know there are people who can handle their alcohol quite well. While at the events though a medic should have none the night that they are working. You wouldn't do it at work, don't do it at our events. If you wanna drink, have one medic sober the one night and switch the next night.
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Post subject: Re: Medics Guild Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:26 pm |
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If it helps for OctoberFest, I will be there and I do not drink at all so I will always be sober if someone needs something.
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Post subject: Re: Medics Guild Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:13 pm |
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As was covered on the Gen-hams board (which was more asked in reference to the whole AHA commercials than anything else, but TC had a really good thingy to say about the doctors so, good on you for that).
If we're treating the flags/bands/whatever as an "On Duty" sign, then we treat is as just that.
I guess we'll cross the bridge of "can you help me pump this guys chest" issue when we get to it, if it (heaven forbid) ever comes up.
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Post subject: Re: Medics Guild Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:50 am |
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MorganDrakeheart wrote: As was covered on the Gen-hams board (which was more asked in reference to the whole AHA commercials than anything else, but TC had a really good thingy to say about the doctors so, good on you for that). What? MorganDrakeheart wrote: If we're treating the flags/bands/whatever as an "On Duty" sign, then we treat is as just that. Yup. MorganDrakeheart wrote: I guess we'll cross the bridge of "can you help me pump this guys chest" issue when we get to it, if it (heaven forbid) ever comes up. What?
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Post subject: Re: Medics Guild Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:12 pm |
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hmm. what happened to the discussions when we tried doing this, that the couple from Canada had issues with this guild formation?
meh; either way put me down as a level 1 medic. I also do blood draws as a CLS/MT!
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Post subject: Re: Medics Guild Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:14 am |
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Appreciated, but I think one of our mottos is gonna be "Medic guild: Trying to keep all your blood inside you."
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Post subject: Re: Medics Guild Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:12 pm |
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I haven't been on in a while, but I like where things are / was going.
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Post subject: Re: Medics Guild Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:49 pm |
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Freki wrote: I haven't been on in a while, but I like where things are / was going. ARE
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Post subject: Re: Medics Guild Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:15 am |
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Hey Tails, I'm relatively new to the sport (only a little over a year of fighting), but I have been first aid/CPR/AED certified for the past four years. If there's anything that I can do to start helping out, I'd be more than willing!
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Post subject: Re: Medics Guild Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:17 am |
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I'd be a little wary of showing that I am a medic because of the legal ramifications. As a medic, if you are taking care of someone, you are becoming liable for them. If they decide to sue you for malpractice, without insurance, you are screwed. For this reason alone we have no OFFICIAL medics at Chaos wars. People who are trained will respond to the medic call, but it is up to them to take responsibility for the injury.
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Post subject: Re: Medics Guild Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:11 pm |
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I'll just state again that, before doing anything beyond absolute critical care (life saving intervention) you should look into the Good Samaritan laws for the area. They always cover trained professionals while working, but being certain about how it applies to same trained people while not under the express coverage of another system is the thing to know.
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Post subject: Re: Medics Guild Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:08 am |
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Every state has their own version of the G.S.L. That's all we'd be, I'm not pushing for the guild to be the OFFICIAL medics of each event. I want it aimed more toward a social club that helps out at events.
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Post subject: Re: Medics Guild Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:40 pm |
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Has there been any more thoughts/progress on this?
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Post subject: Re: Medics Guild Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 6:27 am |
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Tails was heading this, but I think real life got busy and things kind of simmered down. No real headway was made, I don't think, but I'm still interested in being a part of this.
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Post subject: Re: Medics Guild Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:02 pm |
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Trying to get things moving again. Check out the Belegarth Medic Guild page on Facebook.
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Post subject: Re: Medics Guild Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:27 pm |
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Aw...It didn't work - just sent me to FB. EDIT - It is a closed group.
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Post subject: Re: Medics Guild Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:56 pm |
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Opened it up, try now 
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Post subject: Re: Medics Guild Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:38 pm |
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Here's the open group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1456864841195365/Here's my personal take (disclaimer...I haven't read anything before 'page4' in a while, so sorry if any of this is duplicated) I have been medic-ing at events for over 10 years. I 'medic' at Belegarth, SCA, and Dagorhir events I have been head medic for events What I have found over the years is... 1) Keep it simple. If the head medic wants to have ALS (Advanced Life Saving) equipment on hand...great! But only people with the correct training should use the equipment (J-collars, AED...ect) Otherwise all FA/CPR cert'd medics should have access to the basics: gloves, gauze, water (preferably sterile for rinsing wounds) bandaids, ACE wrap or koban/vet-wrap, ice packs. Carrying things like glucose or salt tabs gets into realms of treatment most people don't have experience with, and quite frankly if it comes to needing those a trip to the hosp is probably the best step. Even giving out things like aspirin/Tylenol/ibuprofen could go against the GSL of what ever state you're in. 2) You don't have x-ray vision You can compress, ice, elevate all you want..but is that sprain a sprain? or is it a fracture? I once 'walked' for 2 weeks on a fractured ankle post Ragnarok (more to my own stubborn stupidity than any failing on a medic's part...I find we make some of the worst patients lol ) I try to always preface any examination on an injured area with "I'm not a Dr, and I don't have x-ray vision..." 3) You can't fix stupid I've had more than one person come up to me and say "It hurts when I do..." ok...well lets look at it and for now perhaps you shouldn't do that. Only to see them doing that exact thing the next day. (walking on a turned ankle, fighting with a sore shoulder/wrist/knee...) All we can do is treat/give our opinion and suggest a course of action. People will do what they want in the end. Some realms/events put greater value on a medic's opinion to pull an injured fighter than others. I have been to events where the 'medic' team was directions to the nearest hospital(s) for liability reasons. I have also been to events with EMS on site 24-7 (also for insurance/liability reasons). Just know that formally organizing and receiving funds from event coordinators for supplies could mean that the organization of Belegarth or the actual event could be forced to carry insurance to cover 'acting medics' There is so much grey area here. I do think that any persons willing to provide assistance to others at events should get together at least once at each even to familiarize them selves with each other. If the event is having an official medic team then all certs should be current, if not current then by all means lend a hand, but let someone with a cert do the hands on stuff ok...that is all...hope to see you out at an event some time
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