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Postby Grey » Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:20 pm

i want to make some hanguards for a pair of blue swords i'm making

any ideas?

(i have made a few handguards but they usually suck)
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Postby Taco » Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:29 pm

I have a few hand gurads they work pretty well
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Postby Sir_Mel » Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:01 am

take 2 pieces of foam about 2 1/2" wide and DAP them together. They should be about and inch or so longer than the space you are coverthing. Wrap the glued pieces in cloth/athletic tape. Then duct tape the ends of the wrapped foam pieces to the base of the sword and the top of your pommel (make sure your hand can fit in between). Cover the duct tape with cloth/athletic tape and wa la. You now have a sweet handguard. Hope this helps.
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Re: hand guards

Postby Zzyzx » Mon Apr 17, 2006 1:20 pm

Grey wrote:i want to make some hanguards for a pair of blue swords i'm making

any ideas?

(i have made a few handguards but they usually suck)


I used to make handguards for every blue weapon I made, easy to make and never had one break down. Are you going to be at Beltaine Grey?
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Postby Grey » Mon Apr 17, 2006 1:27 pm

no, it doesn't look like it

i'll try soth-arans idea that was my basic idea it's just i didn't make it right
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Postby Kyrian » Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:30 pm

If you're interested in this style of handguard,

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I've seen them done using surgical tubing and tape.

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Postby hahaha » Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:51 pm

Basket hilts are pretty easy to build with just a couple layers of blue foam and some tape. I've had a few. The upside is that you can punch block without fear of breaking your knuckles, the downside is that they can restrict your wrap shots.
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Postby Grey » Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:27 am

well the handguards are built now

i'm gonna have to try that one kyrian posted though
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Postby Faolan » Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:58 pm

That is a good idea, if I decide to make a rapier than I know what is going to be my handguard.
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Postby Ryker » Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:26 pm

Check out the handguard section...this will give you a basic idea on how to build a handguard.

http://www.amtgard-ck.org/how-to/

even with their stupid magic rules....they still have some decent material published.
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Postby Magpie Saegar » Tue Apr 18, 2006 10:44 pm

here:

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Postby Sir_Mel » Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:20 pm

hey, I'm all for magic but there's no real way to make cool and fun and work all at the same time.

Oh yeah, nice handguards magpie, that's what mine look like except they're white with no crossguards.

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Postby Taco » Wed Apr 19, 2006 12:05 am

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Postby Mido » Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:34 am

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Postby Sir_Mel » Fri Apr 21, 2006 2:01 am

dude, those are * awesome!!!! :eek:
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Postby Mido » Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:37 pm

is it just me or does it look like Magpie's middle picture is taken with the sword hanging on the wall?
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Postby Elyk » Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:04 pm

I just took one peice of blue, cut 2 square holes in them to put them on the handle(Reincorce them with duct tape), and put about an inch of high density open cell on the inside. If I had pics, I'd show you. They aren't the pretiest things, but they shure as hell saved my hands. Considering their on a pair of daggers. :D
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Postby Sir_Mel » Mon May 01, 2006 8:09 pm

Here is the one I was talking about before:

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and here are some pictures of an experimental weapon I'm workin on. If this is illegal in belegarth let me know so I don't make any more because this is only the first prototype of many more to come:

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h64/b ... ithArm.jpg

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h64/b ... ontEnd.jpg

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Postby Ohtar » Mon May 01, 2006 8:30 pm

Other than the stabbies looking a bit small, it completely fails. No punch weapons, and no double ended weapons other than a quarter staff. So you might want to stap the mass production of those. You can enjoy them at your local practices, if your herald passes it. I however fail it.
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Postby Chicken » Mon May 01, 2006 9:03 pm

Also, a hit to the guantlet part would be a hit to the arm (anvilling rule). In addition to everything Ohtar pointed out, I'd also be inclined fail it just for the likelyhood of anvilling problems - how accurately are you going to feel whether a hit hit the handguard-proper part (which is not anvilling, since hand-on-weapon isn't a target anyway) or the backside of your wrist (arm, anvilling if you don't take it)?

Not to mention that I bet it's not too useful ;).

It looks like you did a good job with the construction, though - is certainly looks plenty sturdy. Hockey tape and electrical tape both tend to wind up looking much nicer in the end, though (as it looks like you've already discovered).
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Postby Sir_Mel » Mon May 01, 2006 9:20 pm

you'd be suprised how useful something like this would be but I see where it falls short. Wasn't thinking about the anvil rule. However, say I cut the guantlet part off up to about the base of the wrist, would it be legal then? And I was led to believe that double ended weapons only had a maximum length and that thrusting with them was considered green damage. There isn't (that I can find) that says it can't be smaller and have no striking edge. I dunno, I thought it was a cool idea but maybe it's just one of those things that is more trouble than it's worth.
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Postby Magpie Saegar » Mon May 01, 2006 9:48 pm

first of all,

book of war wrote:1.1.7. Double-ended Weapon ? A Weapon approximating a medieval staff.



second of all,

book of war wrote:1.4.6.2. Double-ended Weapons must have a minimum of 18 inches in length of padding covering each end in a cylindrical fashion.


third,
PROHIBITED WEAPONS SECTION of the BoW wrote:1.5.3. Non-compliant double ended Weapons (nunchaku, double ended daggers).


and finally,
Experimental Weapons FAQs wrote: Can I make a double-ended sword?

At the time of this writing, the only allowable double-ended weapons in Belegarth are quarterstaves. Each end must be at least 18" long, the striking surfaces must be cylindrical, they count as blue and never red, and either both ends are stabbing or neither is. So, you can?t make double-ended swords, double-ended axes, double-ended spears, or any combination of the above. While there are some safety reasons for this, it's mostly a realism concern. (Heck, even a quarterstaff is pretty much useless on a battlefield full of heavily armored foes. The SCA uses them and very few of them turn up dead.)



oh, and it's also generally said that a weapons must have a historical equivalent.
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Postby Sir_Mel » Tue May 02, 2006 2:45 pm

*, how did I miss that? Ah well, I'm pretty sure I could find an equivalent to a double ended dagger. That sucks though, min padding. Grrr, I'll figure something out eventually.
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Postby Sentinel » Tue May 02, 2006 7:50 pm

Soth-Aran wrote:*, how did I miss that? Ah well, I'm pretty sure I could find an equivalent to a double ended dagger. That sucks though, min padding. Grrr, I'll figure something out eventually.
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One thing you could do though, is make it approximating a medieval staff (18 inches of cylindrical padding on both ends) and then have stabbing tips on BOTH ends. (you have either both or none [not one stabby and one non stabby end] for saftey reasons). Assuming you take off the armguard portion to the length of just your hand, It would pass. It would just be weilded one handed, which by the size of about 4' or less isn't bigger than a blue (as such shouldn't be hard to use one handed)
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Postby Magpie Saegar » Tue May 02, 2006 11:23 pm

actually, a quarterstaff MUST have stabbing on both ends, period.

i've always heard people says either both or neither, but not one..... but read the rule!


1.4.6.2. Double-ended Weapons must have a minimum of 18 inches in length of padding covering each end in a cylindrical fashion. Both striking surfaces of this weapon must follow Class 3 Weapon standards for a Double-ended Weapon to be legal.
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