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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 5:45 pm 
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So. . i was talking with Sano about how bored i am with the same ol' swords and we came up with some ideas, this is a place where you can post your ideas as well as get some of ours

Feedback NEEDED and WELCOME but for the most part this is display :P

If you can improve on an idea please post a PICTURE if it is complex-ish(crappy quality welcome too ^__^)

** imagine my square drawings rounded at the top xD **

Axe
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For the wavy blade, wouldn't the cover kinda cover the waves up? Unless you can sew the cover in such a way it follows the curves.

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meh, the case might b hard to get on but if u sew it wavy it'd work :)

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On the axe, a little strip of leather running on the underside of the "hook" and down the core under that last layer of foam will greatly increase the durability of the axe head if you ever get it caught on something (like opponent shields).

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Or just use a stretchy material and sew a rectangle.

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yea i worried a little about the hook i'll look into it :D

Sano wut are you talking "we"? this is like your chore list xD

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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 12:51 am 
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Feedback NEEDED and WELCOME but for the most part this is display :P

If you can improve on an idea please post a PICTURE if it is complex-ish(crappy quality welcome too ^__^)


Here are a few ideas (click on the pics for more).

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Axe


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LoL, yea i thought as much. :ninja:

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(lil leather or stuff like Thomas said :D the hangaurd could get in the way though so maybe have it out farther? or have more handle)

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(CRAB HAMMER! sano lol ** I think the open cell would need to absorb a good proportion so get a good quality and using a bigger rectangle of blue to cover it is good too)

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That handgaurd would impede your swings. Two of the "inspirations" you posted are punching weapons. The rest look ridiculous or are totally impractical.

Get GOOD at building regular old swords. Then, build some shields and clubs and axes and maces and glaives and javelins and arrows and rocks and such.

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:D arrakis i been editing that post instead of double posting -- i've made at least 15 swords, a mace, 3 red swords, a shield, 2 rocks, a flail, about 5 daggers (1 that passes) and i'm jus looking for other stuff to play wit on the field ^___^

I'm just throwing templates out, if you want to make one i'm sure you will change it to suite yourself :P

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2.5. Shield spikes are allowed for decoration.
CRAP!!!! lmao

I think if it's adequately padded and stable it should count -_-

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Sorry dude, sheilds cant be weapons. you can put the spike on their for decoration if you want.

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luckly for us it doesn't say how MANY spikes you can have :D

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once about ten years ago this guy showed up with the soul edge,they were basically good looking noodle swords though and broke down fast

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Go ahead and make the stuff you were talking about in the first place.

Just because Madog has an axe or I have a sword with a wide tip doesn't mean you shouldn't - or even that what you make will look anything like our stuff.

The wavy sword you drew and the little modification I made to your drawing would produce quite different looking swords.

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If you don't like it, you are always able to try to convince enough people to get a rules change, but it's difficult. Other than that, make what you will and if it is safe AND follows the rules you can play with it. Be creative and have fun, that's what this game is about.

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I currently have a really weird sword design in my head but I cant for the life of me figure out how to go about drawing it up lol.

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For the wavy blade, wouldn't the cover kinda cover the waves up? Unless you can sew the cover in such a way it follows the curves.


Pantyhose - cheap, fast to cover a weapon, no sewing skills necessary

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Remember, a ninja just isn't a ninja without a ninja-to.

Which in Belegarth construction would be a curved, single edged blue/green (or blue-only for your first attempt) sword with a blade slightly longer than the blade of a wakizashi. It would probably have to be cored with 1/2" schedule 80 PVC conduit. Think short katana and any experienced foamsmith should have at least an idea of how to construct it. I would make a drawing of it, but I don't have photoshop and I don't know how to use MS paint worth a hoot.

Edit 2: I just looked up Ninja-to on the internet and they are a lot straighter than the typical Japanese sword. Based on the pictures I found, the core for a Belegarth Ninja-to wouldn't even have to be curved. I may just have to make one in the near future.

Edit 1: Japanese-styled weapons require curve-warping techniques to be used on the core for accurate shaping of the weapon. This can only be done on plastic (PVC) cores. Fiberglass can also be curved, but the core would have to be made from scratch. (a pre-existing fiberglass core cannot be reliably warped in such a fashion) Curve-warping can reduce the strength of the core. That is why I recommended schedule 80 instead of schedule 40 PVC for this project.

I have personally never made such a sword because I don't have the proper tools or the space to perform such an operation. Shaping a PVC core generally requires either heat or for the core to be left bent in a peg-frame for an extended period of time. This must be done before any padding is put on the core.

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Ninja side arm?? Yes, though I think "ninjatō" is the proper spelling.


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...or wakizashi.


Yeah, ninjato is the correct spelling now that I think about it. I just do not have the ability to type the special 'o' character that goes on the end of the word.

Whether you would call a single-edged ninja sidearm a wakizashi or a ninjato would depend on how curved you make it. If you build a single-edged sword on a straight or only slightly warped core, it would be a ninjato. If you build the sword on a curved/warped core, it would be a wakizashi.

FYI, ninja used both. They could generally only get their hands on the (generally) lower quality ninjato, but they'd steal wakizashi from samurai whenever they got a good opportunity.

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I'm liking the input on this topic so i figured i'd bring this up (again?)

why is
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I don't exactly see why it's punching just because the blade is perpendicular to your fist :) its the same strike basicly (ASSUMING THERE IS NO STAB TIP)

A good core for it might be a little hard to come by but it seems fine to me
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how do you hold the weapon?
How do you stab with the weapon?

If you answer these correctly, you have your answer

how do you think you will accidentaly react and accidentaly punch someone with it?

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Dude, he said the weapon wasn't going to have a stabbing tip.

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Dude, he said the weapon wasn't going to have a stabbing tip.
I accidentaly cut what I was writting by clicking submit.
I went back to change it but then I lost interest of trying today. so I just left it with an aditional question.

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lol well with the right handle (Sano and I use rope to make our handles square) your handle wouldn't rotate on you, at least not as much, and rotation is the only problem i see - If your handle rotates in ur hand you will end up swinging awkward and flat

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I could see how punching someone on accident could be a problem (i'd be tempted to i'm sure) but thats kinda a 'weilder' issue the way i see it ^^; just be careful? :P

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Um, I don't care how hard you try, you can't have a sword whose blade simply ISN'T CONNECTED to it's hilt.

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I'm fairly certain this grip will break or tear something the first time a red weapon bats it toward the back of your hand.

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That may pass if you can figure out a way to keep it from flexing. I'd like to see the finished product.

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Jeean I would have fun making a weapon like that, but it would not be belegarth legal, cuz there would be no pommel.

But thats still not going to stop me from trying :ninja:

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why have a pommel when you don't have anything to poke ppl's eyes out? =b but i guess padding the handle might help.

The split fingers grip was just to show another example ^^; i realize its not as safe and probably would never use it lol

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pretty sure that would be concidered a punching weapon and dat be a no-no.

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Rum's totally on the ball there.

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I don't care how you hold it, or how dumb it is. The point still stands that if you don't punch with it, you can't call it a punching weapon. he still wants to chop, just hold his sword differently, doesn't even want a stabby with it. I see no issues.

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i agree w/ jimmy

the no punching weps prolly deals with foam claws or panzer-hands type things

if you swing it....no issue w/ hand grip (look at a "punch" dagger for example)

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I don't care how you hold it, or how dumb it is. The point still stands that if you don't punch with it, you can't call it a punching weapon. he still wants to chop, just hold his sword differently, doesn't even want a stabby with it. I see no issues.


Except the whole "no real pommel" thing.


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If he figures out how to get a rope handle to not flex like a flail, the "pommel" may turn out to be a non-issue.

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They are selling for $20 each. My attempt to gear up my realm so that I don't own 98% of the gear, and it wont have to stop every time I have to leave early.

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well honestly they look cool but $20? whats the core? we know its blue foam so gonna break down a little faster if you wanna equip your realm then have all of them chip in one practice and next practice hace a little weapon building time matter of fact :idea:
hey Arrakis and big T Macfinn
if i wanted to make florintine swords for 15 people,out of let say
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how much blue foam would you need given a 2 inch scrap/error margin?
you guys kinda rule at that stuff so mabby you could help?

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$20 is a bit pricey, but, materials do cost a "bit" (not allot, but enough) more up here, than in the USA. These weapons are better than the next set I will be making for sale at $15, the fancy rope, the curvy cover, the size, and the time all factor in. Mostly time. I have had many people say hey would make weapons, but no one has yet, they don't have time, honestly, I don't have allot ether. I already have a commission for a bag head flail for $20. :)

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Big Jimmy wrote:
I don't care how you hold it, or how dumb it is. The point still stands that if you don't punch with it, you can't call it a punching weapon. he still wants to chop, just hold his sword differently, doesn't even want a stabby with it. I see no issues.


Except the whole "no real pommel" thing.


Up until the moment some noob other than the owner picks it up and goes and punches someone. This is the same "I could use it safely" arguement that comes up all the time. If a weapon could be unsafe in someone's hands then it shouldn't get passed.

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20 dollars is expensive for a sword?? Man, you know what, I bet you're right; if you don't want to foamsmith your own weapons, I'm sure you could get Edhellen to sell you a sword for like, what, 10 bucks? I mean, I'm sure they won't mind taking the profit hit vs. selling you a sword at the more normal rate of $30+.

20 bucks is DIRT CHEAP for a sword. I sell counterweighted, oblong grip blueswords for 30-40 depending on the requested core material. Greentip takes the price up further. Anyone not willing to make their own stuff or wanting something better than they're capable of building can save up 7 hours worth of minimum wage salary and buy a sword from me or whomever. That's not an undue burden on anyone.

Now, as to the question of 30 swords...

If we do thirty 32" swords, we're gonna need at least 5 rolls of bluefoam, possibly more, and at least 70 FEET (9 8-foot sections) of 1/2" PVC. Call it two cans of DAP or 40 GAGILLION rolls of carpet tape.

I just recently finished cutting all of the foam for 9 swords of lengths between 31 inches and 46 inches and all but the last 5 or six blade layer pieces and the pommels came out of one sheet of bluefoam, but I'm reaallllly careful and precise.


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hey Arrakis and big T Macfinn
... how much blue foam would you need given a 2 inch scrap/error margin


My advice is make nice swords and don't try to cut corners with things like 20" striking surfaces, etc to save foam. I've tried making cheaper weapons and they generally don't get used in favor of borrowing the nice stuff from the guy who makes his own - which causes the nice stuff to break down faster, etc.

Just buy the extra roll of foam.

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Up until the moment some noob other than the owner picks it up and goes and punches someone. This is the same "I could use it safely" arguement that comes up all the time. If a weapon could be unsafe in someone's hands then it shouldn't get passed.


I see how that could be an issue, i have equipment (flails for noobs) that i say "meh, i'll let you play with it but be very careful" and i'm sure at an event or a bigger practice i might miss saying that to somebody, but the way i see it is three layers of blue foam won't injure very many people if someone accidentally punches with a sword like that. By the time they throw one punch with it SOMEONE will pretty much notice and it won't happen anytime soon afterwards. I'm not trying to recreate "video game swords" or anything but i think ANY weapon should be allowed if it is SAFE enough in ALL areas of question. If its built carefully the sword in question has few and minor safety issues. :) :ninja:

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