Hulk hand shield

[DJordan]

Sorry home boy, I can't make it down.

[Cheeseheart]

that is utterly disappointing.

[DJordan]

Still tryin though, maybe somethin great will happen.

[Cheeseheart]

what's holding you back?

[DJordan]

A vehichle.

[Cheeseheart]

I get my Sith Infiltrator on that right away.

[Grey Ogre]

Im sorry, but no where in the rules can I find a definition of 'unbreakable armor'. Since any shield can be broken thats obviously not the unbreakable part....

So whats 'unbreakable' about it?

[Dacian]

This is actually a good point. Perhaps a little clarification of the rules?

It's just always been taken for granted that "unbreakable armor" meant it can receive an infinite amount of Class 1 blows without taking damage, but either way, it can still be considered "broken" by Class 2 weapons.

Granted, it may go without saying, but it couldn't hurt.

[Tails]

another point worth mentioning would be how much wraparound is too much?

Buckler -> Curved buckler -> Unbreakable armor

Where is the line?

[Peregrine]

It needs to look like a shield. If your buckler looks more like plate armor, than it does a shield, that a good sign you are doing it wrong.

[Arrakis]

Default to Rule -1 : Don't be a tool. Heralds can make that stick.

[Dacian]

Default to Rule -1 : Don't be a tool. Heralds can make that stick.

That should be in the BoW.

[Grey Ogre]

Default to Rule -1 : Don't be a tool. Heralds can make that stick.

Im sorry, but witty as that is it doesnt answer my question in the least.

Nor does saying that since it looks kinda like a glove its 'doing it wrong'.

What is unbreakable armor? Its a simple question and it should have a simple answer instead of a snarky one.

[Caleidah]

Default to Rule -1 : Don't be a tool. Heralds can make that stick.

Im sorry, but witty as that is it doesnt answer my question in the least.

Nor does saying that since it looks kinda like a glove its 'doing it wrong'.

What is unbreakable armor? Its a simple question and it should have a simple answer instead of a snarky one.

Unbreakable armor is any piece of equipment (such as a weapon) that is designed in such a way that it covers a target area and prevents it from being hit. The reason that this shield would be 'unbreakable armor' is that it encompasses the entirety of the arm.

[Embara Cayosin]

The reason that this shield would be 'unbreakable armor' is that it encompasses the entirety of the arm.

wouldn't this logic alone make all shields fail because they cover

the entirety of the arm

where as this disputed shield only covers the lower arm and hand.

[Isk]

Entirety = all the way around your arm, dude. A normal shield covers your arm on one side and a blow to the arm on the inside of the shield (e.g. from a wrap shot or a flail) will disable that target area.

The question is entirely reasonable as all armor is 'unbreakable' from 1 handed green shots.

To break it down for ya, a shield is unbreakable by blues, yellows, whites and greens. It soaks two reds before you get hurt. This is much stronger than actual 'armor' which soaks one blue shot and infinite single green shots, but any double green, yellow or red shot disables the target. Therefore having something that functions like armor, but protects like a shield is referred to as 'unbreakable armor' because it is proof against any damage except red and even there completely protects you for two red blows.

[Embara Cayosin]

ok i understand what you are getting at. so the problem yall have is that it goes all the way around the arm. so say he where to cut off the underside so his arm is exposed. would you then be calling it unbreakable armor.

[DJordan]

You should probly read the thread all the way, this is a repeating arguement.

[Peregrine]

Default to Rule -1 : Don't be a tool. Heralds can make that stick.

I'm sorry, but witty as that is it doesn't answer my question in the least.

Nor does saying that since it looks kinda like a glove its 'doing it wrong'.

What is unbreakable armor? Its a simple question and it should have a simple answer instead of a snarky one.

I believe we were speaking tails, whom we know so if sounds snarky to you don't worry he is ok with it. your question was already answered By Dacian.

"This is actually a good point. Perhaps a little clarification of the rules?

It's just always been taken for granted that "unbreakable armor" meant it can receive an infinite amount of Class 1 blows without taking damage, but either way, it can still be considered "broken" by Class 2 weapons.

Granted, it may go without saying, but it couldn't hurt.
This is actually a good point. Perhaps a little clarification of the rules?

It's just always been taken for granted that "unbreakable armor" meant it can receive an infinite amount of Class 1 blows without taking damage, but either way, it can still be considered "broken" by Class 2 weapons.

Granted, it may go without saying, but it couldn't hurt. "



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[Outhro Youkker]

Next time make an Open Hand Hulk Hand Shield. One big green hand that can shield edge/Judo Chop

[Caleidah]

Next time make an Open Hand Hulk Hand Shield. One big green hand that can shield edge/Judo Chop

And pimp-slap arrows/fighters.

[Warlord Mcgee]

Entirety = all the way around your arm, dude. A normal shield covers your arm on one side and a blow to the arm on the inside of the shield (e.g. from a wrap shot or a flail) will disable that target area.

The question is entirely reasonable as all armor is 'unbreakable' from 1 handed green shots.

To break it down for ya, a shield is unbreakable by blues, yellows, whites and greens. It soaks two reds before you get hurt. This is much stronger than actual 'armor' which soaks one blue shot and infinite single green shots, but any double green, yellow or red shot disables the target. Therefore having something that functions like armor, but protects like a shield is referred to as 'unbreakable armor' because it is proof against any damage except red and even there completely protects you for two red blows.

I was made to understand by the vets in Stygia that even if a weapon hits you on the inside arm part of a strap shield that it counts as the shield. I think that he should cut out a piece on the arm and then it should be legal. Any vets care to explain to me why this logic is flawed? Or which is right, the inside forearm of the shield is same as shield or not? Thank ye.

[Grey Ogre]

Default to Rule -1 : Don't be a tool. Heralds can make that stick.

Im sorry, but witty as that is it doesnt answer my question in the least.

Nor does saying that since it looks kinda like a glove its 'doing it wrong'.

What is unbreakable armor? Its a simple question and it should have a simple answer instead of a snarky one.

Unbreakable armor is any piece of equipment (such as a weapon) that is designed in such a way that it covers a target area and prevents it from being hit. The reason that this shield would be 'unbreakable armor' is that it encompasses the entirety of the arm.

Thank you, I completely understand the issue now.

[No'Vak]

Entirety = all the way around your arm, dude. A normal shield covers your arm on one side and a blow to the arm on the inside of the shield (e.g. from a wrap shot or a flail) will disable that target area.

The question is entirely reasonable as all armor is 'unbreakable' from 1 handed green shots.

To break it down for ya, a shield is unbreakable by blues, yellows, whites and greens. It soaks two reds before you get hurt. This is much stronger than actual 'armor' which soaks one blue shot and infinite single green shots, but any double green, yellow or red shot disables the target. Therefore having something that functions like armor, but protects like a shield is referred to as 'unbreakable armor' because it is proof against any damage except red and even there completely protects you for two red blows.

I was made to understand by the vets in Stygia that even if a weapon hits you on the inside arm part of a strap shield that it counts as the shield. I think that he should cut out a piece on the arm and then it should be legal. Any vets care to explain to me why this logic is flawed? Or which is right, the inside forearm of the shield is same as shield or not? Thank ye.

Wrong.

The part holding the shield is part of the shield, the forearm is not.

[Kraesh]

The part holding the shield is part of the shield, the forearm is not.

The part holding the shield is not part of the shield, it is an occupied hand, which still doesn't count. You should let them know that that is where you hit by calling "hand" though.

-Kraesh

[Quorren]

Entirety = all the way around your arm, dude. A normal shield covers your arm on one side and a blow to the arm on the inside of the shield (e.g. from a wrap shot or a flail) will disable that target area.

The question is entirely reasonable as all armor is 'unbreakable' from 1 handed green shots.

To break it down for ya, a shield is unbreakable by blues, yellows, whites and greens. It soaks two reds before you get hurt. This is much stronger than actual 'armor' which soaks one blue shot and infinite single green shots, but any double green, yellow or red shot disables the target. Therefore having something that functions like armor, but protects like a shield is referred to as 'unbreakable armor' because it is proof against any damage except red and even there completely protects you for two red blows.

I was made to understand by the vets in Stygia that even if a weapon hits you on the inside arm part of a strap shield that it counts as the shield. I think that he should cut out a piece on the arm and then it should be legal. Any vets care to explain to me why this logic is flawed? Or which is right, the inside forearm of the shield is same as shield or not? Thank ye.

I would get pretty frustrated if I hit someone's arm on the inside of their shield and they didn't take it. It is like when people kind of sort of parry your weapon with their shield but then it cbounces off the edge of the shield and it still hits them with good force. If a weapon gets your strike zone solidly, why wouldn't you take it? I wonder where this idea comes from.

[Dawken]

To cheese or not to cheese that is the question. Like you stated some people blow shots with their shield when you throw a shoulder drop and contact their shield and shoulder. Then agian the enough force thing is determined by the person getting hit so if they think they knocked enought stank off our your shot with the small amount of their shield they blocked with then they should atleast call light. Or stop rhino hiding.

[No'Vak]

Remember sufficient force is a pretty fine line for some people. A lot of people like to fight in the gray.

[Phoxly]

Try to picture it more as a strap shield that wraps around the arm instead of a giant glove... I kind of like it but I'd rather have the strap shield?

[Tala]

Dude...if you get this thing to pass, i am so making a Hellboy Fist shield.


I would bet you the arm part passes the 12 inch rule. Since curved shields are measured along the face of the shield, not the diameter, as long as you make the arm part big enough to have 12 inches of foam when measured around...your golden. LOL

That would be totally awesome.

[Ticonderoga]

ad a cupholder

forget that TV tray and a brownie holder

[Ignatius]

Guys, this thread has been dead for quite a while. Check thread dates before posting in them. Don't post in old threads unless you have something really relevant or new to add to the conversation.

Tala, welcome to the boards. Try and lurk a lot, read a ton and post very little at first until you get a feel for the boards.

[Ticonderoga]

oh I see now thanks Ignatius.