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 Post subject: Confusion on the specefications of the Red Sword
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:02 pm 
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So, I looked through the forum and could not find an answer to my question, so I am posting here. I want to make a red Sword of minimum length with a 12 inch or so handle, but I was told that the handle HAS TO be 1/3 or more of the total length. This was by my local belegarth group, so I looked it up and there is no mention in the weapons checking about a minimum handle length for Red Weapons, just a MAXIMUM length. Could someone please clear this up for me, thank you very much.


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 Post subject: Re: Confusion on the specefications of the Red Sword
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:17 pm 
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You are correct. The BoW does not specify any minimum handle length, only maximum lengths.
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1.4.2.3. The maximum handle length for Class 2 Weapons is eighteen (18) inches or one-third (1/3) of the overall length, whichever is greater. This cannot exceed one-half (1/2) of the overall length.


Where is your realm? Is it a fairly new one? If so, having a few vets come and visit you guys might clear up any other misinterpretations. Hope this helps.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:40 pm 
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This rule has always confused me. BUT the way I read it you would need atleast 18" of handle for a minimum red. Here is my math:

48"/3 = 16". 16 < 18.

So in the rule since 18 is greater than 16, you would need an 18 inch handle for a minimum red.

however, I am not a Vet and could be misinterpreting the spirit of the rule.


edited:

I are retarded... I mistook minimum for maximum. So, yes 12" is fine. The max you could go is 18.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:57 pm 
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xxRowanxx wrote:
So, I looked through the forum and could not find an answer to my question, so I am posting here. I want to make a red Sword of minimum length with a 12 inch or so handle, but I was told that the handle HAS TO be 1/3 or more of the total length. This was by my local belegarth group, so I looked it up and there is no mention in the weapons checking about a minimum handle length for Red Weapons, just a MAXIMUM length. Could someone please clear this up for me, thank you very much.

For the future, double checking the BoW will clear up a lot of those questions.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:10 pm 
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there is no minimal handle length. There is only max handle. It is always 18" or 1/3 of total weapon length whichever of the two is greater, from pommel to tip. pommel does not count as part of handle length.

edit:two beat me too it. thats what i get for hitting the reply 45 min after i type a response

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:25 pm 
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First of all, I want to thank all of you. The only reason I posted, was that the book of war did not mention it and some people from my realm said that it had to be so long, thankfully not! And I am in the Babylon realm, no idea if it is new or not, I have just been practicing and not participating in much else yet.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:05 am 
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Haha, I got caught. Nice catch Rowan. :)
Thanks for pointing this out to me.

Goes to show I don't read the BoW nearly as much as I should.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:32 pm 
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Be aware that shorter handles can result in failing flex.

When I made a batch of min reds with a 12" handle on a 1/2" core they failed for flex. So i cut off 3-6" of blade to make a 15-18" handle and they all passed.

The reason is not the weight change or altered flex, but that the flex test point is moved down the weapon 3-6" towards the tip (due to a longer handle).

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