Belegarth

by **Arrakis** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:26 pm

Hey, just a quick heads-up:

I was poking around on the intarwebz, seeing if anyone sold cheap gambesons (I'll probably just make one anyway...) and found out that CAS Iberia sells period-ish shoes MAD cheaper than you usually see them listed. Check the European Armor section, Clothing Subsection.

http://www.casiberia.com/productsearch. ... 20Garments

by **Unaki** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:13 am

*Smacks self* If only I could afford them at the moment xD

by **Kinmen** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:14 am

I wish I the money for garb. I only have a summer job at a boyscout camp.

by **Forkbeard** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:14 pm

Period shoes are dangerous to play sports in.
Belegarth is a sport. A COMBAT sport.
Wear combat boots.
FB

by **Arrakis** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:10 pm

*blinks*

Fork, you do know that some nontrivial percent of people play barefoot? And that many others wear crappy sandals or something?

You can get a vibram sole on many types of production turn shoe, too.

But yeah... I wear boots. Lol. I might would got some for feast garb, though...

by **Roland Demox** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:05 pm

Many people do play barefoot. And why do you think they dont * TOO much when somebody accidentally steps on their foot. Cuz they are barefoot, and they know it lol

by **Kinmen** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:49 am

I don't think Combat Boots would be comfortable.
Think of all the blisters you might get.
Why not mockasins?

by **Derian** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:55 am

You don't get blisters if you have boots that fit you properly.

by **Kinmen** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:11 am

Most boots don't fit people very well,
And mocassins usually do fit people.

by **Arrakis** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:47 am

Kinmen, if your boots give you blisters: YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

by **Roland Demox** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:09 am

Kinmen when I helped out with construction jobs I wore combat/workboots for 12 hrs a day. No Blisters

The military has guys standing in combat boots for 24 hours or more. No Blisters

You obviously dont know how to correctly fit a good pair of boots

by **Kinmen** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:00 am

I guess it might help if I wore socks,
But running in boots has never been my favorite thing.

by **Arrakis** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:26 am

Kinmen: Shhh.

There ya go.

by **Forkbeard** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:28 pm

Holy ****, what the hell is wrong with you?
If moccasins can usually fit people, why wounldn't combat boots. They are designed by **** engineers to fit and provide traction and ankle support to troops IN **** COMBAT.
And if you don't wear socks with boots, well, that's just gross. I bet you smell like a **** sewer.
I think you should fight barefoot, Kimmen.
And while we're on that topic, people who fight barefoot deserve exactly what they get. I can't conceive of a better way to seriously injure my feet and ankles.
I weigh 265lbs and I wear boots. Watch you tootsies, *.
FB

by **Soo Ma Tai** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:17 pm

LMAO....I used to fight barefoot, when I was young and stupid. Till I got a 3" long thorn through my foot in Dur-D and couldn't figtht for 3 weeks while it healed. Plus it hurt like a *. Wear frickin shoes of some kind for all the god's sake. Cause if someone like Fork step on you, you'll know it, and you'll want them boots on. Also, Moccasins have terrible traction and you'll end up on your * with a twisted ankle before you know it. My buddie thought Mocs were a wise choice for footwear till he slipped in some damp grass and seperated his shoulder and couldn't fight for over a year.

If you don't like boots, get some good crosscountry shoes that are made for running in the dirt. Just make sure they are brown or black.

by **Solusar** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:29 am

http://www.dagorhir.com/cgi-bin/ultimat ... 3&t=002751
Alric of Drentha made these. Check them out.

by **Roland Demox** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:36 am

wow those shoes look awesome. I probably wouldnt fight in them due to the lack of ankle support. My ankles have been broken enough times for this lifetime

by **Soo Ma Tai** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:09 am

Those shoes look great, I wouldn't fight in them without traction on the bottom. I would wear them out and about though, after fighting.

by **Forkbeard** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:29 pm

Very nice work.
Not Combat Boots.
Same arguments, Traction and Ankle Support.
FB

by **Bronwyn Trea** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:23 pm

If one of your worries with combat boots is that you want them to still look good, you can do something like Fangy and Rum Beard do. They made grieves that look like the top of a boot, and placed them over there boots. From a distance you can't really tell.
http://nikkinix.deviantart.com/art/WoF-124-88851045
Here is a pic of Fangy, but non of my pictures showing her boots came out clear. It at least gives you some idea of how they work though.
http://nikkinix.deviantart.com/art/WoF-47-88803098
Rum's Are easier to see, but it is a cool idea in my opinion.

by **Arrakis** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:06 pm

Bronwyn: That's cool as hell.

by **Cib** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 2:37 pm

One of the guys at practice has rolled is ankle a few times now, and I was telling him about about people here were saying "use combat boots". So now he is wanting to know where to get some.

That is good, but I don't know where to get them.

Are they the same as work boots? Do you get them on line or in a store?

by **tvetree** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:00 pm

Combant boots = Army suplus stores.

A good fitting work boot will be just about as good.

by **tvetree** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:30 pm

Read here

http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=75693

by **Forkbeard** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:20 pm

I think those cats are more concered with lookin period than performance.
I read the sporty oppinion and the work out ideas for building up your ankles, but I disagree completely. That might be a good plan if your starting out, but I'm old and broken, mt combat boots hold me together.
I never get hurt wearing them and I usually get hurt fighting without them.
FB

by **tvetree** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:33 pm

Forkbeard wrote:I think those cats are more concered with lookin period than performance.
I read the sporty oppinion and the work out ideas for building up your ankles, but I disagree completely. That might be a good plan if your starting out, but I'm old and broken, mt combat boots hold me together.
I never get hurt wearing them and I usually get hurt fighting without them.
FB

Near the bottom of the thread someone shows how to cover a modern boot to give a very nice period look.
Me ...I just wear what I've got on,most the time that means work boots but sometime thats white sneakers.

by **Poo** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:44 am

I've taken to wearing an old pair of wrestling shoes. They have spectacular ankle support, and on the hard dirt in Rhun or on any hard floor i get quite good traction.

by **Forkbeard** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:20 pm

I guess the covers are cool.
I think they look fake, except for one pair, and they don't look right.
Black boots stickin out of my greaves look awesome to me.
FB

by **Doug C** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:27 pm

Are the people complaining about traction in turnshoes people that have never walked in turnshoes?

I've been fighting in 'period' shoes for around 4 years. Traction is fine, no problems. No slipping or sliding or anything. I only have issues when the grass is dry and I've neglected my shoes for about a year or so. If you don't oil the soles every few months of fighting they can dry out, which will give you problems on dried out grass.

I think the biggest quantifier, though, is the thousands of people who fought for real in turnshoes over several hundred years. If they hadn't worked, they would have moved to a different design.

Those Hanwei shoes are way overpriced. And if you're looking for cheap arming garments:

http://steel-mastery.com/index.php?&mod ... rent_id=17

by **Ryker** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:49 pm

Doesn't take much to hide the look of combat boots.

by **armov2** » Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:34 pm

i agree whith fork. i would wear the army's ACU combat boots. it gives you alot of flexability but keeps the support of the older standard issue combat boots. plus they kinda have a moccosin look to them (my spelling sux)

-----Ghost

by **Orkin** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:14 pm

Hear, hear.

I am sure that American Indians lived and fought for millenia in moccasins, without a need for combat boots. Millions of European warriors in the middle ages fought while wearing period footwear.

We may be making an unfounded assumption about footwear.

At any rate, these are better-priced and are available with Vibram soles:
http://revival.us/index.asp?PageAction= ... &ProdID=99

Doug C wrote:Are the people complaining about traction in turnshoes people that have never walked in turnshoes?

I've been fighting in 'period' shoes for around 4 years. Traction is fine, no problems. No slipping or sliding or anything. I only have issues when the grass is dry and I've neglected my shoes for about a year or so. If you don't oil the soles every few months of fighting they can dry out, which will give you problems on dried out grass.

I think the biggest quantifier, though, is the thousands of people who fought for real in turnshoes over several hundred years. If they hadn't worked, they would have moved to a different design.

Those Hanwei shoes are way overpriced. And if you're looking for cheap arming garments:

http://steel-mastery.com/index.php?&mod ... rent_id=17

by **Juicer** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:40 pm

I fight barefoot whenever possible and find that having my foot lower to the ground DRASTICALLY reduces my chances of twisting or spraining my ankle. The human foot evolved for running and moving and getting FANTASTIC traction. Yeah I've gotten my feet stepped on, but it's a risk I take for improved speed and mobility.

by **Thestlring** » Thu May 07, 2009 7:01 pm

Kinmen wrote:Most boots don't fit people very well,
And mocassins usually do fit people.

You might want to break them in, which is what every soldier I know has always done with new boots before using them for anything that requires a lot of movement.
The easiest way to break in a pair of combat boots is to soak them in a 5 gallon bucket of water until saturated, then wearing them until they are dry. By walking in them like that, they form to your foot, and basically fit like a nice pair of slippers. I have done this to nearly every pair of boots I own, and after I get done I go over them with polish and saddle soap to make sure they last, which is a good idea for any leather that gets exposed to the elements regularly and rigorously.
The jungle boots I use for Vietnam reenacting and the jump boots I use for WWII reenacting fit like a nice pair of gloves, and are some of the most comfortable footwear I have! If it weren't for the fact that they are not a "recognizable fashion footwear", I would wear them every day, LOL! Thank God for cowboy boots with low tops!

by **Eris** » Fri May 08, 2009 8:32 am

Who looks at your shoes? Really? I work a cushy desk job at a lawyer's office and wear my boots to work almost every day. And ya know what? No one notices. Wear the comfy boots.

Barefoot for most people just isn't a good idea. They spent their early childhood sitting in darkened rooms playing video games and D&D, not running outside without shoes to build up the callouses needed for barefoot fighting. Getting your foot stepped on is bad. Broken bones in your foot will suck. So does stepping on glass, the aforementioned thorns, sticks, pointy rocks, rusty wire (this one happened to me before I started fighting), dog poop, and whatever else is on the ground. So unless you have the soles of a hobbit, get some footwear. Our medics have enough to do.

by **FrankManic** » Wed May 13, 2009 7:25 am

Kinmen wrote:I don't think Combat Boots would be comfortable.
Think of all the blisters you might get.
Why not mockasins?

If you're getting blisters in your combat boots then your combat boots are either poorly made, or don't fit.

Allow me to extend that. If your combat gear bites, chafes, cuts, wears, rubs, or in any other way causes damage to you then it does not fit and you need to either get new combat gear or modify what you do have until it fits properly.

You wear combat boots because they lace up past your ankle and provide ankle support. If you land wrong you don't break or twist your ankle, you just get a little wrenching feeling and offer a quiet word of praise to whoever thought up combat boots in the first place. With sneakers, sandles, or bare foot, you just twist your ankle and you're off the field for the day, possibly with permanent damage.

by **Big King Jimmy** » Wed May 13, 2009 3:04 pm

Kinmen made the comment 7 months ago, you should think about these things when you post.

by **Osric/Mageta** » Fri May 15, 2009 12:10 am

When it comes to footwear, I usually choose to shun it since my feet are pretty much leather and getting my feet stepped on is no big deal for me unless you're wearing golf cleats or something absurd. I used to be barefoot all the time in Oklahoma, running on gravel and pulling goat head stickers out of my feet lol. But even though my feet are still tough as hell I find my ankles are my weak point. Wet grass or some loose dirt are all it takes to make my weekend hell by rolling an ankle. Combat boots are amazing for support and if they're not to your tastes, I'd recommend wrestling shoes. They have good ankle support as well and you don't even feel like you're wearing shoes when they're on.

edit: oops, didnt see how old this thing was

by **D-9-13** » Tue May 19, 2009 9:24 am

Juicer wrote:I fight barefoot whenever possible and find that having my foot lower to the ground DRASTICALLY reduces my chances of twisting or spraining my ankle. The human foot evolved for running and moving and getting FANTASTIC traction. Yeah I've gotten my feet stepped on, but it's a risk I take for improved speed and mobility.

I wouldn't fight barefoot, personally, but as a total noob, I just wanna say how cool it is that people have a CHOICE as to if they want to do that or not! That is way cool...and it looks really cool from an outsiders perspective when you see a bunch of people doing there own thing...

by **Kasada** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:04 pm

I have moccasins, but I wouldn't even consider wearing them for belegarth, since they have no traction whatsoever. I'm using tennis shoes (which work fine) until I can actually afford something better (running shoes or tabi boots, or maybe combat boots). I'm sure some of you know how hard it is to find good footwear in size 14 wide.

by **Eris** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:09 am

The internet is for more than just porn ya know... :angel:

Bet you can find boots that fit you somewhere on-line...

by **Skorr** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:28 am

I think people underestimate the human body. I fought barefoot for years and only got my foot stepped on painfully once, which was my own fault for being in a bridge battle and trying to pack myself in. Paying attention is pretty good protection, like most things in life. As for the strength of the human foot, I had my foot parked on for about 30 seconds or more when I was in high school, and no damage. Not even a bruise. It is built to function, trust me. Even the most pampered feet can stand to run on dirt and grass that isn't terribly rough. Off the field is a different story, and having been through numerous experiences including zombie foot, I highly recommend footwear off the field whatever your choices are on the field.

That being said, I switched to a good pair of boots and I like it a lot. On a really nice field I may go barefoot sometimes but I got tired of cleaning my feet. Being older and brokener I also enjoy the support and not rolling my ankle every 5 minutes. I also feel a little safer when shield-kicking.

I might be trying to make some boots in the near future, keep ya posted.

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