Belegarth

Does anyone know of a good place to either buy or get patterns for medieval clergy garb. Most specifically the Pope or a Cardinal or Bishop. And I'll also be needing a miter.

Costume shop in Garden city. I don't know how much Papal Raiment has changed since medieval times honestly.

Sounds like someone is starting the new god squad

The pope is the closest historical equivalent to Belegarth president. Elected by the College of Cardinals (WC) has some authority in every realm, but usually can't overide the monarch (realm leaders). I'm just getting ready in case I win the election. That way I'll have specific garb for my presidential duties

As long as you do the hat.

Trisseus wrote:As long as you do the hat.

This is required.

Wasn't the hat originally made for a rabbit?

Thats what a Miter is. Its a pope hat. And DUH I'm gunna do it

What time frame clergy? And Western or Eastern Holy Empire?

1180 (pre split) papacy. Or western works too.

I get to be a beer cardinal!!!

Fr. Tails

I call High Inquisitor!!! A see a sexy witch hunt in Beleraths future!

We need the garb before we can do any of this guys...

There are a couple of patterns in that book I was gonna bring to let you take a look at next time we meet up. I'm 99.9% positive there is a miter pattern in it as well.

Then we need to go fabric shopping. now.

Sir Par wrote:The pope is the closest historical equivalent to Belegarth president. Elected by the College of Cardinals (WC) has some authority in every realm, but usually can't overide the monarch (realm leaders). I'm just getting ready in case I win the election. That way I'll have specific garb for my presidential duties

Sacrilege aside, its an interesting and funny idea, but otherwise a poor choice, IMO. Though many Successors of Peter used the Office to dabble in and interfere with the political goings on of the time, the Bel Presidency holds neither the powers of Ex Cathedra statements nor unilateral Excommunication to enforce "His Holiness' " policies, be they Divinely inspired or otherwise.

I submit for your consideration other candidates to emulate, who are both secular and whose offices are a closer, though imperfect, match to the responsibilities of the Bel Presidency, they are:

• Holy Roman Emperor
• Doge of Venice after 1268
• Vergobret of the Aedui Gauls

None of those guys have as cool as a hat. And just becuse the Bel prez doesn't have that power NOW doesn't mean I can't bribe WC to give it to me in the future Its for the humor man. Bask in the glory of the Pope.

I don't know Par, I know a few five-year-olds that pronounce it the poop... Are you sure you want to live with that title? Oh, and you'll have to learn latin, because the poop has to speak latin in order to be the poop.

-Kraesh

I know enough latin to get by.

Kraesh wrote:I don't know Par, I know a few five-year-olds that pronounce it the poop... Are you sure you want to live with that title? Oh, and you'll have to learn latin, because the poop has to speak latin in order to be the poop.

-Kraesh

Oh, the indelible taint of mispronunciation!

Honestly Arrakis, I've come to expect better of you.

Now I feel like such an *.

PFFFT! Who are you kidding Arrakis!

-Kraesh

I'm just saying, usually you've got way better, and this time you let me down. You also didn't offer to help by suggesting patterns. Jerk.

Arrakis wrote::cry:

Now I feel like such an *.

Once again your cheekiness rears it's ugly head. You should know this isn't the the right forum to be butting in with such asinine cracks. Let's just put this behind us and stick to the subject at hand.

Par, one of the major pattern companies (Simplicity, etc, etc) has a priestly robe pattern (the standard long black coat/robe). The pattern is back on the mainland, but I'll edit this post when I know which company it is specifically.

Gosh, fine. Let me attempt to make amends:

http://www.feoragdubh.eastkingdom.org/N ... _tunic.htm

He was a Nubian Bishop, but hey, it's something, right?

http://www.sewvestment.com/site/822866/product/D-2

*shrug*

Thats. Better.

Think of going to your local cathedral and asking the rector if you can take a gander at the Bishop's vestments? Say you're doing it for practice at making clothes and costumes and would like to see the real deal so you can be respectful. Sure, you won't be getting patterns, but you'll be able to look at and take pictures of the real thing. Granted the pope has some unique things for his office, but he is still a bishop. Hell, you might even get a cool little history tour of the cathedral and see some of the hidden rooms and whatnot.

You also may be able to purchase similar items or at least get a good look at them from a Catholic supply store. I think this is going to be one of those areas where just making a reasonable facsimile is going to be more than enough. Do it a little better than a Halloween costume and you should be gold.

Many of these have good descriptions and pictures, but no patterns.
Papal vestments

Undergarments

• Alb - like a cassock
• Falda - a long skirt which extends beneath the hem of the alb

Footwear

• Episcopal sandals - sandals that change color with the liturgical calendar
• Papal shoes - red leather outdoor shoes
• Papal slippers - red indoor wear

Robes

• Chasuble - outermost liturgical vestment
• Simar - like a cassock but with a shoulder covering / mini cape

Overcoats / Capes

• Fanon - doubled shoulder cape
• Greca - double breasted overcoat worn over cassock
• Mantum - a giant cloak
• Mozzetta - elbow length cape
• Pallium - a woolen cloak worn over his chasuble

Belts / sashes

• Cincture - a rope belt
• Fascia - Sash
• Sub-cinctorium - a type of belt or something that goes on a belt

Accoutrements

• Maniple - a cloth covering for the left arm
• Pectoral Cross - duh
• Ring of the Fisherman - Papal bling
• Stole - band of cloth draped over the shoulders hanging down front of body

Headgear

• Camauro - red wool / velvet cap with ermine trim
• Capello romano - wide brimmed hat with a dome top.
• Lappet - decorative flaps hanging down from headdress
• Mitre - hat
• Papal Tiara - the pope's crown
• Zucchetto - beanie

I am reminded of Turkeyfeathers.

Thanks TC. Good info.