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Gambeson Project, Help Needed (Finished, Pic Heavy)

Postby Korbin the Mad » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:24 am

So while at Joann's buying fabric for sewing projects, I happened across a material that inspired an idea. It is two layers of fabric with diamond-shaped stitching patterned over it, and cotton padding inside. As soon as I saw it, I saw an easy gambeson.

Now that my other sewing projects are concluded, I want to give this a run. I'm heading to Joann's in the next couple days to pick some up. What I need from you folks is a tutorial or, at the very least, an explained pattern on how to make a gambeson. I'm expecially fond of long gambesons that have the detachable sleeves.

Ive found a few patters through Google, but (A) most of them involve quilting, and (B) I would much rather have something tested by Bel fighters.

So has anyone made a gambeson lately? :P

EDIT: This project is finished. Scroll down to see!
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Re: Gambeson Project, Help Needed

Postby Arrakis » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:54 am

That fabric is crap. It's too thin, the "padding" is too thin, it's synthetic (read: hot as balls). It's useful for making those "quilted-look" purses and the like, but not for any garment, especially if you want a real gambeson that will provide padding under armor or ablate blunt force trauma.

The easy way to make a gambeson is to cut all of the pieces for a tunic twice with like 4 inch seam allowances on every edge, quilt the corresponding pieces together with several layers of natural batting in between, then finish construction as usual. I recommend heavy linen for the outer shell and medium-weight linen for the inner shell. Wool or cotton or bamboo batting should do the job.
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Re: Gambeson Project, Help Needed

Postby Remdawg Killionaire » Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:04 am

Cherry Stone has got some pretty * ****. lol
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Re: Gambeson Project, Help Needed

Postby Tiberius Claudius » Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:19 am

Sexy and hot as hell Remy.

I used Arrakis' idea about 10 years ago when I did Roman re-enacting. Linen is light, cheap, and pads just fine. I had the advantage of keeping mine hidden under armor and adhering to 2000 year old standards so it didn't have to look pretty like a medieval item. For filling i used a couple old 100% cotton sweatshirts and some cotton batting. Only the outside needed to look it.

Here's the website I got a lot of my information from.
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Re: Gambeson Project, Help Needed

Postby Arrakis » Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:23 am

Remy the Wroth wrote:Cherry Stone has got some pretty * ****. lol
http://cherry-stone.deviantart.com/favourites/9396170#/d1nrr4g
nice tutorial goes here


Nice. Beware using buckles on anything you're actually going to wear under armor or into combat; getting stabbed hard directly on a buckle through maille is bound to be ****.
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Re: Gambeson Project, Help Needed

Postby Korbin the Mad » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:37 pm

Thank you for your replies. I believe I have enough here to go on. But I feel I should clarify exactly what it is I want out of this gambeson.

It will not be worn under armor. The armor I wear is light and comfortable enough that all I need is a shirt, no padding. As such, this gambeson will serve only to look well-padded for the sake of looking like a gambeson. It will probably not be fight gear excepting maybe in colder months anyway, so the synthetic fabric is no bother.

I want this to be cheap and easy like a tavern wench. I still think that fabric is worth a shot. I will use some of the pattern linked here as well as some other sources I've found and will post pics of the process/final product. Worst case scenario, I trash the fabric and learn a little more about the pattern to make a better one in the future.
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Re: Gambeson Project, Help Needed

Postby Remdawg Killionaire » Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:37 am

Korbin wrote:I want this to be cheap and easy like a tavern wench.


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Re: Gambeson Project, Help Needed

Postby Korbin the Mad » Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:42 am

The gambeson is finished and has been tested at practice as fight garb. It has turned out very well, I think. I made a few mistakes and learned from them, but overall I am satisfied. Below are pics of the process as well as the final product.

Bear in mind, I'm very new to machine sewing. I've been hand sewing for a long time but other than belt flags, this is the first garment I've sewn. I made some noob mistakes but I'm still learning. Also, forgive the grainy pics. My iPhone is really the only camera I have. Here goes:

I used the pattern/tutorial listed above, but primarily I followed one I found as a Google result >>here<<.

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This is the fabric I used. Pre-quilted fabric from Jo-Ann's. It's a poly-cotton fabric with cotton stuffing, sewn down with a diamond pattern. I bought two yards of burgundy and two of wood brown; the fabric was priced at $10/yd but I got it half off

I began by taking my measurements, as per the the tutorials. ThenI cut out four rectangles of the fabric to match my torso measurements, and cut them to the necessary shape-- mostly a slope to fit my ribs and the arm/neck holes. I sewed the back together, then sewed the sides together. I left the front open and hemmed the edges.

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MISTAKE #1: I should not have sewn the sides together. I should have sewn it at the shouldersinstead, which would have made tweaking the neck hole much easier. Instead, I did it this way, which caused me to make errors finishing the neck hole; the result was a deep slope in the neck line that I did not want.

Next I sewed together the leg flanges, done very similarly to the torso. Four pieces, two of each color; sewn together two at a time, one for the right, one for the left, and attached. Then I hemmed the inside and decided to cant the inside corner for extra stylez.

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Next came the collar. As I said, I mucked up the neckline, so I had to design the collar to make the plunged neckline look like it belonged. My solution was just a tall and wide straight collar, made from the fabric doubled over, and sewn into the neckline. Like everything else, I chose alternating colors.

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Then came the closures. I contemplated using frogs, but decided I didn't like the look. I wanted buckles, but a point was made in this thread that stuck with me: they can be a pain beneath armor. Instead, I chose decorative eyehook clasps.

MISTAKE #2: After affixing the eyehooks, I realized my measurements were off. The hooks were scooted back as far as I could have them and they did not close tightly enough; indeed they would slip open one by one with any movement on my part. In giving myself extra fabric for seam tolerance, I ended up adding a couple inches to the overall size of the gambeson itself.

This turned out to be a relatively happy mistake because it pointed me to my decided closures: buttons. I found some kickass buttons at Jo-Ann's and sewed them in, and the gambeson fits like a glove as a result.

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And so the body of the gambeson was done. Then came the sleeves. I cut two rectangles of fabric, one of each color, and measured my bicep, elbow, forearm, and wrists, as well as the overall length from shoulder to hand. I folded the fabric and sewed the slope I'd marked, as well as curve for where the sleeve would affix to the shoulder. I hemmed the cuff, and then hemmed the shoulder part.

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MISTAKE #3: I realized it was a good idea to double up the fabric for the agilet holes on the sleeve, but also realized that I had not done so on the body of the gambeson. At this point I felt it was too late. Another time when I have the energy I may handstitch another later beneath the gambeson's agilet holes and redo them, but for now, I'm stuck with one layer there.

Then I cut all the agilet holes. I decided to go with two: one on the top of the shoulder and one in front. I chose not to do one in back as well because it failed my fitting test. I put everything on and pinned the sleeves on, pulling my arms in over my chest; the pins in the back bent and came out. I was too afraid the tie or the fabric would rip in the back, and decided I didn't need the third hole anyway. The two holes per arm proved enough.

I made the agilet holes by cutting button-holes basically, using multiple lines of tight stitches in a rectangle around the hole, followed by wrapping a hand stitch into the hold to pull the fabric aside. Each time I inserted the handstitch I made sure to do so on the outside of the machine stitch make its hold stronger.

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With the sleeves done, all that was needed was for it to be strung together. I'm still looking for a permenant tie-- some strong leather lace would do nicely-- but for now I'm using thick black ribbon.

As it was a colder day, I wore the gambeson to practice yesterday. It was extremely comfortable beneath my armor; it moved with me, it breathed, it stayed where it was supposed to. After most of the day I discarded my armor and took off the sleeves, fighitng in just the gambeson. No issues whatsoever. It's really not too hot and it's very comfortable.

And, if I may say so, it looks pretty spiffy (even in dramatic poses and with gym shoes).

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Some notes:
I intentionally left the seams uncovered on the inside. I did this because I was concerned about the fabric tearing so I wanted to make sure it would be easy to snip the stitches to replace whatever needs it.

In the end I spent about thirty dollars to get everything I needed.
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Re: Gambeson Project, Help Needed (Finished, Pic Heavy)

Postby Arrakis » Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:19 pm

Looks snazzy!

It is going to be very hot and sweaty during the summer, but, so would an all-natural gamb, so, sounds like you made a good decision.
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Re: Gambeson Project, Help Needed (Finished, Pic Heavy)

Postby Remdawg Killionaire » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:59 pm

Looks legit, good job.
Now, about your footwear...
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Re: Gambeson Project, Help Needed (Finished, Pic Heavy)

Postby Tails » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:53 pm

Remy the Wroth wrote:Now, about your footwear...

Pff. Really?
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Re: Gambeson Project, Help Needed (Finished, Pic Heavy)

Postby Caleidah » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:56 pm

Tails wrote:
Remy the Wroth wrote:Now, about your footwear...

Pff. Really?

Why not? He did an awesome gamb and his garb looks great, now it's time to complete the image with some turn shoes/boots/something.
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Re: Gambeson Project, Help Needed (Finished, Pic Heavy)

Postby Peanut of Loderia » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:51 pm

Or at least not velcro.
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Postby Tails » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:53 pm

Just seems like as long at the footwear are earthy tones, who cares, but that's me, the guy who doesn't care.
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Re: Gambeson Project, Help Needed (Finished, Pic Heavy)

Postby Remdawg Killionaire » Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:00 pm

He looks straight legit, some black boots would really sell the deal.
I feel like the shoes are doing his sick-ass kit a disservice is all.
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Re: Gambeson Project, Help Needed (Finished, Pic Heavy)

Postby Korbin the Mad » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:00 am

I totally get the gripe withmy shoes, though minuscule it may be. I have a pair of black leather boots I wear for feast, but have not yet found anything more comfortable than the $8 Walmart shoes I've worn for years.

Thanks for all the positive comments on my garb though. Never posted pics before and it's encouraging.
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Postby Mint » Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:44 am

It also helps that you seem to have a good sense of photography as well. I've always thought garb pics taken in one's quaint little sitting room just looked silly.

The kit's awesome too. I like the buttons.
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Re: Gambeson Project, Help Needed (Finished, Pic Heavy)

Postby Korbin the Mad » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:21 am

Mint wrote:It also helps that you seem to have a good sense of photography as well. I've always thought garb pics taken in one's quaint little sitting room just looked silly.

The kit's awesome too. I like the buttons.


The buttons cost as much as the fabric. I had to splurge on them though, because they were so perfect. I loved the hammer-forged look.

Thanks, about the photography thing. I actually had another pic taken specifically to cut my feet from the pic:
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I thought it looked really cool with the house in the background, but then I saw the AC unit... In terms of being photograph-offensive, velco shoes < air conditioner.

Although in that pic, you get to see my super-rad "iron-banded" club.

Here's a slightly more panoramic version of the same shot in the original post.
I thought being slightly off-center looked neat against the wall.
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Postby Peanut of Loderia » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:53 pm

Really, I'm jsut giving you crap because I actually know you.
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Re: Gambeson Project, Help Needed (Finished, Pic Heavy)

Postby Korbin the Mad » Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:05 pm

Peanut of Loderia wrote:Really, I'm jsut giving you crap because I actually know you.


Oh. Well in that case, shove it. Lol.

Good to hear from you. See you at Spring Wars, I hope. :P
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