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Big Jimmy wrote:Draw cuts? Are you kidding? Do you see the number of ninja kids we have NOW???
Cyric wrote:My argument against Half swording is this:
The book of war states that you can't grab your opponent's striking surface. why should that be any different from grabbing your own striking surface.
Cyric wrote:Draw cutting is just stupid in this game, and has already been covered enough by the BoW (sufficent force) and this thread.
Cyric wrote:Just because the book of war states opponent's striking surface doesn't mean there is a difference between that and your own striking surface.
You are not immune to your own hits. You should take hits anytime you hit yourself with your own weapon, such as a flail bouncing off your own back. To me, that means there isn't a difference between an opponent's striking surface and your own.
Elebrim wrote:Cyric wrote:Just because the book of war states opponent's striking surface doesn't mean there is a difference between that and your own striking surface.
...Where is the logic there? The BoW is intentionally vague; if ithere is a specifically mentioned distinction of opponent's striking surface, then there is a difference.
Elebrim wrote:You are not immune to your own hits. You should take hits anytime you hit yourself with your own weapon, such as a flail bouncing off your own back. To me, that means there isn't a difference between an opponent's striking surface and your own.
The reason there is a distinction between hitting yourself and grabbing your own weapon is defined by the BoW.
3.2.1. Weapons which strike with sufficient force can score a hit and/or Injury to the Target Area
3.4.2. All Injury effects must be accurately portrayed and reported.
Here, Rule 3.2.1 does not discriminate between yours, your opponents, or your ally's weapon; therefore, you can damage yourself by striking one of your own target areas with sufficient force. When combined with rule 3.4.2, there is no excuse for someone blowing off shots they accidentally hit themselves with.
However, there is a distinction made in the area of hands and feet:
3.1.5. Hand(s) - Area below the wrist (exclusive). An empty Hand is a legal Target Area. Any Injury to the Hand is considered Injury to the Arm. A Hand on a Weapon or Shield is considered part of that Weapon or Shield.
The italicized portion is the most relevant to this discussion; note that it does not say "on the handle" or "wielding," merely "on." Therefore, halfswording is perfectly legal. This is the basic premise that allows quarterstaves to function; wielding a staff properly requires use of the entire staff for ultimate versatility. Would a quarterstaff cut open the hand of the person wielding it? No, it would not.
Similarly, and as the most recent video evidence has demonstrated, properly wielding a european sword blade would not cut the hand of a wielder who were to halfsword. The uinversal division of all weapons into the 5 basic categories defined by the BoW, therefore, means that ALL blades in our game may be halfsworded.
But where does it say anything about your own striking surface? Just because it doesn't say anything about it doesn't mean that its ok. Like i said, a striking surface is a striking surface.
The hand on weapon rule is meant to make it so if you get hit in the hand it doesn't count as an arm shot, to help the gameplay along.
What if you are halfswording, and i sneak up behind you and grab the handle of your weapon? does that suddenly make your sword my sword, and thus you lose your limb?
Just because it doesn't say anything about it doesn't mean that its ok.
Cyric wrote:.... Doing so on acutal striking surface can risk damage to a weapon that might not be noticed until it hurts someone.
Kyrian wrote:This thread has been moved over to the Rules Discussion & Development forum.
The Lost Celt wrote:But if you did (a draw cut) to my stomach and it were a real blade my entrails would be MUCH more likely to be spilling out than with a cudgel like strike, broken skin sure perhaps a gash but skin is elastic and an actual slice could be much more traumatic. There's a difference between cutting and striking, and thus I honor it on principle.
Thomas MacFinn wrote:Kyrian wrote:This thread has been moved over to the Rules Discussion & Development forum.
Doesn't this limit the number of people that can vote in the poll? I had intended to start a second thread in Rules Discussion but my approval didn't come before I left town.
Thomas MacFinn wrote:Did you read the initial article or see the video link in it or is this reply based just on the poll?
Here's another video showing what a strike can do.
The Lost Celt wrote:But if you did this to my stomach and it were a real blade my entrails would be MUCH more likely to be spilling out than with a cudgel like strike, broken skin sure perhaps a gash but skin is elastic and an actual slice could be much more traumatic. There's a difference between cutting and striking, and thus I honor it on principle.
if someone started turning their claymores around to bash you with the handle there's a chance it could result in a fistfight
Physic wrote:Do they make woodgrain cloth?
3.1. Target Area Definitions:
3.1.1. Body - Area bounded by the base of neck (inclusive), shoulder-arm joint (inclusive), hip-leg socket (inclusive), groin, and buttocks (inclusive).
3.1.2. Arm(s) - Area bounded by the wrist (inclusive) and the shoulder-arm joint (exclusive).
3.1.3. Leg(s) - Area bounded by the ankle (inclusive) and hip-leg socket (exclusive).
3.1.4. Head - Area above the base of neck (exclusive).
3.1.5. Hand(s) - Area below the wrist (exclusive). An empty Hand is a legal Target Area. Any Injury to the Hand is considered Injury to the Arm. A Hand on a Weapon or Shield is considered part of that Weapon or Shield.
3.1.6. Feet – Area below the ankle (exclusive). A Foot is a legal Target Area if it is off the ground. Any Injury to the Foot is considered Injury to the Leg.
3.7.3. Blocking a Weapon strike by laying a Weapon against a Target Area and/or Shield is illegal.
3.7.4. Sheathed or otherwise worn Weapons cannot block attacks.
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