ROCKS (BAN or KEEP)

[Angmarth]

I plan on bringing this up for discussion to WC next session. Personally I think that rocks should be relagated to novelty battles. Thoughts?

[Plithut]

All out ban? I'm against it. I wouldn't mind a little more regulation when it came to them, seeing as there is a large debate on the subject.

[Necronos]

I too am against an all out ban on rocks. Keep them, just make them 4" on all axes.

[Peregrine]

even though I don't like them, I say keep.

[ashling]

Keep them!

[Winfang]

Gone!

[Mercer]

Novelty battles only, like English vs. Scottish.

[Sir Cairbre]

I would say

Keep = game
Loose = sport

I personally like rocks, but I rather seem this game continue to develop into a sport, to do that we need to get rid of some thing (flails & rocks) and bring some things back(Hard hitting and red weapons:pikes & 5' swords).

I love rocks, but for the good of the sport, we need to be less silly. So if it came to a personal vote I would be against it. But I doubt I could convince my realm the same, I am pretty sure my realm is of the oppinion to keep them.

[Enoch]

Whatever problem they may possibly have with cheese, they more than make up for with ego-deflation. Not that I have a vote, but if I did, I'd say keep 'em.

[Sir Farrin]

bye bye

[Olos]

I would say

Keep = game
Loose = sport

I personally like rocks, but I rather seem this game continue to develop into a sport, to do that we need to get rid of some thing (flails & rocks) and bring some things back(Hard hitting and red weapons:pikes & 5' swords).

I love rocks, but for the good of the sport, we need to be less silly. So if it came to a personal vote I would be against it. But I doubt I could convince my realm the same, I am pretty sure my realm is of the oppinion to keep them.

Isn't that what HACS is for?

I say keep em.

[Black Cat]

I can't believe that this whole argument started with someone complaining about stuffed animals being used as rocks that probably should have never passed inspection in the first place. Actually, on second thought, I can.

I say keep them.

Why are people wanting to get rid of normal rocks just because of a stuffed-animal rock incident that happened at a realm-level activity? I don't get it.

[Sir Morpheus]

things are too serious around here as it is next thing you know people will be wanting to outlaw Characterization

[Theros the Large]

And demand numbered uniforms with our names on them...

LAME...

Take your hardcore crap elsewhere.

Go play HACS if you need ULTRAVIOLENCE!!!

For the record I am not a huge fan of rocks, but they bring some much needed comedy to the field at times.

[Koom Di' Puts]

back on subject... lets keep all the fun and games on general mahem

I of course would hate to see rocks banned... and it is never good to do an all out banning. However A few new regs do need to be put into play. I really think that rocks need to have the half draw rule. and a 4 inch on 2 diffent axi... like flail heads would be nice also

and umm... some rules for boulders would be nice too

[Tren]

and umm... some rules for boulders would be nice too

It's been brought up numerous times before; it's not gonna happen nationally.

As for rocks, I don't see any need to ban them. They're not really unbalanced, they're certainly not more lethal than a javelin. Especially if you're in a realm that runs no reusable missles, they're pretty much worthless except for fun or as a last ditch. I love the idea of people using specialty rocks for characterization, like a crusader with a foam Bible. They're mostly harmless, can add some fun, and no more "silly" or detrimental to our image than a guy dressing as a goblin in a skirt and a tank top.

[debuenzo]

keep

[slippy]

keep. come on they can just as easily not be used in a battle not that many people have them and if you can't kill with them then you just need to practice. if you have been killed by it then don't feel bad you have been killed by other things too. sir. sasquatch got 19 confirmed kills at TB. they add more fun i need to see more people just having fun. they are in hystory and give a use for helms. they should not be removed for a grudge more for safty and overpowering (they are not overpowering and are pretty safe [one of the checkers at TB said my rock was rather pleasent *chuckle*]).

[calebmonkey]

keep
rocks bring another aspect i didnt see(not to say someone didnt say it).
you cant throw a javelin within six or so feet of a target because it must travel the length of the weapon, and you cant realy fire a arrow into heavy combat without safety risks(like a nock in the eye). but with rocks you always have to keep an eye out for them or your done and there is a hole in your line for the enemy to punch through.i mean its not as deadly as a jav which you can cause damage to anywhere with and use as a short spear\makshift shield.
but to be fair
no stuffed animals
four inches on two axis
no blocking with(as in no calling hand because your holding it)

[savetuba]

i mean its not as deadly as a jav which you can cause damage to anywhere with and use as a short spear\makshift shield.

no blocking with(as in no calling hand because your holding it)

so why can you call hand when holding a jav, but not a rock? Seriously. It is like calling hand when you are holding a sword. In the real world you would have lost fingers, but for simplicity we say it is part of the weapon. And how easy is it to block with a rock?

Sounds like someone who is sore someone used a new tactic to beat them and they havn't figured out a way past it.




Oh and keep them.

[A Pimp Named Kabibbles]

Keep

[Soo Ma Tai]

I say keep them, I like this being a game, not a sport.

[Elebrim]

Keep in some capacity. Restrict animals or novelty rocks to theme battles.

[slippy]

no blocking with(as in no calling hand because your holding it)

as far as i know you can that is part of what we do.

[Forkbeard]

I think we should keep them but modify the constrution rules to make them into more rock-like objects.
Too many rocks are just small pillows.
Rocks should be made of nerf football type foam only, should be 1 solid peice of foam inside, not little bits of foam and they should be at least 4" on evety axis(I liked that one).
I thinking about making some rocks that look like bricks. I gonna use the foam from the bottom of a kyak.
They should be slammers.
FB

[Daryth]

Keep them. It would be a sad day indeed when rocks are banned from the game.

[Black Cat]

I'd like to be able to have shuriken rocks (12" diameter x 3" thickness) made out of super-dense open-cell foam, but I would go with exactly the kind of rock Forkbeard posted about if rocks couldn't be under 4" on any axis, since those sound really cool too.

I'd like to see a higher diameter requirement for rocks that are under 4" on the third axis to allow for frisbee rocks without leaving a loophole that will let people make tiny "cheese" rocks. Naturally, there would still have to be a minimum thickness for these rocks for safety reasons.

That would require weapons checking rules for two separate types of rocks though, (one checking rule for spherical rocks, another checking rule for disc rocks) and I don't think weapons checkers would be up for that.

[Magpie Saegar]

to allow for frisbee rocks without leaving a loophole that will let people make tiny "cheese" rocks.

See... I think that frisbee rocks are cheese rocks as is (unless they are huge... as in, over 4 inches on every diameter to start with AND STILL shaped like a frisbee... but I haven't seen any of those).

I also think that anything that can be easily thrown without a full motion of the arm is not ... good for our game/sport.

[Black Cat]

I'm sure that frisbee rocks are easy to throw, but are they easy to aim and hit things with? Or do they take some skill to use without having them airplane off out into the middle of nowhere?

I'll need to playtest it to be sure, but I don't think that a sufficiently sized frisbee rock will be too easy to use or actually hit someone's head with, at least not without some skill. And if they are anything like a normal frisbee, someone won't be able to throw one very far without it going off-course.

[Sir_Mel]

I'm gonna have to say we should keep the rocks just because it's the one weapon that no matter how uber you think you are, one hit and your done. Are they unbalanced? Maybe slightly, so where a helmet and you're fine. Or heaven forbid, block it. I really can't see any reason to eliminate rocks even if somebody happens to be bitter about being killed by a noob who got a lucky shot. It's all supposed to be in fun and rocks just add that little bit of madness to keep things interesting and fun.

[Orion Nomad]

Wow.. who'd a thought. Any one would get exicted over them I never saw one till last western wars. herd of em though. they can suprise ya, put a hole in yer ego, and level a playin field, all you can do is smile an look for one to use next time. Yes there should be rules on construction. but as stated even a poorly consrtucted one is less of a injury threat than a Javelin I dont see the stuffed anamil thing that shouldnt have been alowed (though maybe if you dont count em as rocks and call em road kill ie. Cant kill ya but you gotta fight alone on your own team next battle caues you smell so bad. again a speciality game) I think if there a correct size and weight then * yer super cool sun glass wearin Official consecreated armord ego. And fun and games belong on the field, and so does a smile. hell I hopin to soak em in ice water when it getz hot this summer. Oh by the way! where the hell is this "global warming"? Im still burnin wood in my fire place at night.

[savetuba]

where the hell is this "global warming"? Im still burnin wood in my fire place at night.

Come Visit us in AZ. Today was 105 and we arn't even in the middle of summer yet. I can just imagen 120+ by mid summer...

[Satanaka]

YEAH PEOPLE!!!!!

Glad to see so many want to keep some things in that act as a balancing device.


Lets keep rocks.

[Mekoot Gorlock]

Over a year. Look at the dates and stop opening old threads.

[Derian]

/me hovers over the auto-prune function.

[Satanaka]

Uh- ok- then why do we not have an auto delete after a certain time?
If I want to read something and think it was/is still an issue or important- is that bad to revive?


OK- SO did we solve the issue? has there been any more questions? I just heard things from a realm this last June- about this same issue.

So- What is the grand plan for old threads??? They auto delete after 3 months???? Then- you would not have to make such post (to me)...

Sorry.

Over a year. Look at the dates and stop opening old threads.


Derian: /me hovers over the auto-prune function.

[Derian]

Bumping old threads isn't a problem when you have something to add to the conversation or if it's relevant in some fashion, but bumping them to contribute absolutely nothing is.

[Satanaka]

ok- i get it.

Bumping old threads isn't a problem when you have something to add to the conversation or if it's relevant in some fashion, but bumping them to contribute absolutely nothing is.