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Adding scythes to the list of prohibited weapons

Postby Big King Jimmy » Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:01 pm

Please, we people that like to help in the foam smithing forum, we can only take so much. It's out of control, a scytheocalypse.

It's been many many years, and no one has come up with a design. There won't be one. Lets just add it to the list so when joe newb has $15 and wants to build his own weapon, he doesn't build something retarded that breaks his first practice.
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Re: Adding scythes to the list of prohibited weapons

Postby Spike » Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:19 pm

Why is this just now getting proposed?
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Re: Adding scythes to the list of prohibited weapons

Postby Arrakis » Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:02 am

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Re: Adding scythes to the list of prohibited weapons

Postby Sorcia » Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:15 am

The following two threads are why Jimmy brought this up.
http://board.belegarth.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=31536
http://board.belegarth.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=32599

Just kinda read through these and I am not sure I would ban them. They will fail all on their own and the only reason to ban a weapon is because it can never be safe. There is the possibility that sometime down the road some smart kid may just come up with a design that would minimally pass and actually look scythe-like.

Remember why the rules are sparse to begin with, for ease of use, not to help people save money.
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Re: Adding scythes to the list of prohibited weapons

Postby Soo Ma Tai » Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:19 am

I concur, down with the scythocolypse.
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Re: Adding scythes to the list of prohibited weapons

Postby Sir Anastasia » Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:43 am

Sorcia wrote: the only reason to ban a weapon is because it can never be safe.

QFT.

Don't ban the weapon just beacause noobs want to build this ridiculous monstrosity.

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Re: Adding scythes to the list of prohibited weapons

Postby Spike » Wed Sep 09, 2009 12:18 pm

Sorcia wrote: the only reason to ban a weapon is because it can never be safe.


I agree and disagree with this statement. The only reason we should ban a weapon is because it can never be safe. However, that is not the case.

1.5. Prohibited Weapons:

1.5.1. Entangling Weapons (nets, lassos).
1.5.2. Unmanned Weapons (traps).
1.5.3. Non-compliant double ended Weapons (nunchaku, double ended daggers).
1.5.4. Punching Weapons (punching daggers, tonfas).
1.5.5. Any Weapon when used as intended violates the rules stipulated in the Book of War.


It would appear from the list of banned weapons that we include all sorts of weapons for two reasons.

1) They require excessive planning and precise execution to be able to make safely. (i.e.- traps)
It's no secret that I'm a board troll, and in all the time I've been on here, I've never seen a thread regarding scythes that wasn't a "How do I?" or "I did it, but oh wait I really didn't."

2) They raise questions that aren't covered in the BoW. (i.e.-nunchaku: hand on striking surface?)
A frequent question about scythes is whether the tip is red or green. Granted this has a definite answer, but for some reason all these people who are experts on scythe construction still don't get it from raw BoW scripture alone.

I'm under the impression that a tonfa can be made safely some day down the line. It might look a little stupid, but no one seems to want to * around with it. Why? We banned them because getting it right by making it look good and using it safely is just too damned hard. You know... like scythes.
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Re: Adding scythes to the list of prohibited weapons

Postby Sir_Mel » Wed Sep 09, 2009 1:07 pm

If (rule = good **** sense)
Then (put it in the BoW)

Logic.



Also, Sorcia, you should change your opinion so you don't agree with Michelle Jackson.
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Re: Adding scythes to the list of prohibited weapons

Postby Sorcia » Wed Sep 09, 2009 1:54 pm

* you, Mel!
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Re: Adding scythes to the list of prohibited weapons

Postby Cyric » Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:06 pm

A good thought, but then the questions go from "How to do i build one" to "why can't i build one". It's the same **** with tonfas and claws now.
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Re: Adding scythes to the list of prohibited weapons

Postby Spike » Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:17 pm

While it is transference of the questions, there's no doubt in my mind that it will cut back on all of the amateur foamsmiths giving out scythe construction advice as if it were gospel and perpetuating the problem. As it stands, everyone seems to be under the impression that if it has a pommel, haft padding, and a stabbing tip it's the greatest thing since Kegg invented the rock.
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Re: Adding scythes to the list of prohibited weapons

Postby Arrakis » Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:19 pm

Someone should make up a form letter that basically says, "STFU, it's the RULES!" and we should only ever post that letter into those threads. No other posts allowed.

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Re: Adding scythes to the list of prohibited weapons

Postby Big King Jimmy » Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:23 am

I understand the idea of "But someone COULD build a scythe.. maybe.... some day...."

Yah, and I could weigh as much as Shiv someday.

However, no beginner foam smith is going to just stumble across it.

By the time someone has the skills to really make a good attempt at it, they'll have been around long enough to know the risks associated. And if it works, maybe we'll change the rule back.

I'd rather just ban any weapon that when used as intended is swung and makes contact with a core perpendicular to your body, that whole concept in and of itself is unsafe to me. I mean jesus, how is that different than a punching weapon (Okay, I know, you don't have a fist behind it).
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Re: Adding scythes to the list of prohibited weapons

Postby Thomas MacFinn » Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:13 pm

I don't think the problem is scythes or waffle shields or quarterstaffs as much as it is 13 year olds who haven't actually attended an event or even a practice at an established group giving out bad advice as if it were gospel.
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Re: Adding scythes to the list of prohibited weapons

Postby Satanaka » Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:02 am

A few of the weapons have been made- many years ago- it was safe, it worked but after 2 months- it broke.
I think that banning a "weapon" because we are anoid with new people talking about it" is not a good idea. This would be like: "I ban you from Dag board due to you being a Bel fighter"..

I agree with Thomas below.

If you don't like the newbies talking about crazy stuff- just don't read it. Some people rip new people a little to rough. I admit I rip two or seven myself- BUT- I think some of you guys need to lighten up **self included**.

I'd rather have 20 new people talking about quarter staffs, nunchuks and scythes- and get rid of just 1, 2 or even better 3 guys that are always *'s to new people. Most of you guys were new not that to long ago and thought you knew everything... hehehe :devil:

Leave them be and just use positive ways to encourage them. I promise to try do it as well. Maybe some of them NEED to waste the materials to learn a good lesson. If they still continue- Like the one dude- then just don't respond to the the guy- If he is 13- what are ya gonna say to a 13 year old?

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Thomas MacFinn wrote:I don't think the problem is scythes or waffle shields or quarterstaffs as much as it is 13 year olds who haven't actually attended an event or even a practice at an established group giving out bad advice as if it were gospel.
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Re: Adding scythes to the list of prohibited weapons

Postby Big King Jimmy » Sun Sep 13, 2009 8:19 pm

I understand what you're saying. And you're right.

The problem is that people that would contribute a ton to advanced foam smithing topics (proper layering of different poundages of foam, the differences between different companies evalite, advancements in stabbing tip construction) don't go anywhere near the foam smithing forum. It's like swimming through a lake of puke to find a McDonald's chicken nugget.

It's the same people who don't dare take a step into the new members forum, because they know better. What can be done to let the baby sitters take care of the newbs with dumb questions while giving more intelligent mature members of the community someplace where they can make actually progress in foam smithing?

Can we encourage new members to post newbie foam smithing topics in new members instead? Make an ADVANCED foam smithing private forum? Something?
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Re: Adding scythes to the list of prohibited weapons

Postby Sir_Mel » Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:34 pm

Big Jimmy wrote:Make an ADVANCED foam smithing private forum? Something?



Jimmy, what exactly are they teaching you in school that lets you come up with stuff. This idea is my favorite ever.
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Re: Adding scythes to the list of prohibited weapons

Postby Turin » Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:17 am

Teh Mel wrote:
Big Jimmy wrote:Make an ADVANCED foam smithing private forum? Something?



Jimmy, what exactly are they teaching you in school that lets you come up with stuff. This idea is my favorite ever.



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Re: Adding scythes to the list of prohibited weapons

Postby Satanaka » Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:27 pm

I went back and edited my own post after reading- sounded rough to me.

I get aggrivated with new people that just won't listen. If they don't listen to the first 3 Vets that try to help them- let them fall on their face- will be the best lesson for them.
Also- Many do listen- so it does work.

Remember that many things in life were discovered or created when people told them "It can't be done..."

I have volunteered to be the guy to train and help new people for many years- and for the most part- they listen- but some are very hardheaed and just don't listen- or think they know it all.

So- I still think the solution is NOT in banning things- BUT to just be understanding, nicer, or ignore them and let them learn the hard way.

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Big Jimmy wrote:I understand what you're saying. And you're right.

The problem is that people that would contribute a ton to advanced foam smithing topics (proper layering of different poundages of foam, the differences between different companies evalite, advancements in stabbing tip construction) don't go anywhere near the foam smithing forum. It's like swimming through a lake of puke to find a McDonald's chicken nugget.

It's the same people who don't dare take a step into the new members forum, because they know better. What can be done to let the baby sitters take care of the newbs with dumb questions while giving more intelligent mature members of the community someplace where they can make actually progress in foam smithing?

Can we encourage new members to post newbie foam smithing topics in new members instead? Make an ADVANCED foam smithing private forum? Something?
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