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Forkbeard wrote:So, you can't decide if that is Galya or Par? I have to admit, I mistake Par for an old woman regularly. But Galya is a beautiful and intelligent lady. I'd never mistake her for him.
Elebrim wrote:...I question why lately it seems like we must do everything that Amtgard does or else we are no longer the best fighters. I don't think it's right or necessary.
Calarn the Black wrote:I believe, Varadin, that you might remember the following from OcFest this year...
While line fighting, I picked up a javelin at my feet. I threw it at Minnow, hitting him in the nose. He gave me a funny look, and sat down. I thought it was simply him getting hit in the nose, so I picked the same jav back up, then threw it at Varadin. This time, the jav hit in the side of the head. Varadin sat down grimacing, but signaling that he was fine, and to continue. He was in motion, so I figured it hit him oddly (I've had those hits before). I once again picked up that same jav, and threw it at Nolze; he promptly fell down, stunned. At this point, I tested the jav. It passed check, but it had died, probably assisted by the weight behind it. (It was heavy, much heavier than any I've used normally.
Javs with less weight behind them will break down less quickly, due to the decrease of force behind them. Also, failing javs won't hit at hard when they fail, reducing injury possibility. I'm all for this.
Big King Jimmy wrote:Within the next couple of days I'm going to throw this up to war council, good time for any last minute arguments. Those in favor of less broken noses? Those opposed?
I also want to point out that the "standard" for wich many rules are set "Edhellen" will no longer be with us.
Graavish wrote:it's not the weight of the weapon that makes for a solid hit, it's how much i don't like you when i'm swinging.
Satanaka wrote:Good point to bring up Jimmy. I was reading this and remembered a few weapons check this year. I failed 1 javalin due to the weapon hurt on impact, was to hard, the foam compacted to quick. Now- what really brought this to my attention was the weight to this javalin. When I picked it up- I could have sworn it was a grenn spear... NOT A JAVALIN. the owner assured me it was a javalin and was passed at Armaggedon.
It was very heavy and that was what really brought my attention to the other issues. Now- when I say heavy- I am saying that I am almost sure it was over 3 pounds. The length was the same as others.
Now- with this being said- at three different events I have been to that I worked weapons check- the issue with the weight of the javalin was NOT an issue except for this one time.
Now- I don't want a broken nose, I don't want anyone to get a broken nose. BUT I DO NOT think that a javalin weighting in at 24 onces is gonna break everyones nose.
I think this is sorta a petty rule and one that ios ONLY enforced at two events. I think this is a Herald issue. A Javalin at 18 onces- failed??? WTH? that is very, very silly and this is a rule change that is not needed and will be stupid.
I also want to point out that the "standard" for wich many rules are set "Edhellen" will no longer be with us. i think we are gonna have ore people building weapons. This is going to make many of your weapons fail when it's just off my 3 onces???
Broken noses? I am against. Better Heralds and weapons check? I am 100% for...Big King Jimmy wrote:Within the next couple of days I'm going to throw this up to war council, good time for any last minute arguments. Those in favor of less broken noses? Those opposed?
Derian wrote:Well, ****. Par is right.
Black Cat wrote:Setting the limit to 16 ounces however, in my opinion, is a bad move. The limit should be 18 ounces, not 16. 2 ounces might not sound like much of a difference, but this would allow most safe homebrew javelins to pass while still solving the issue of javelins weighing too much on the field.
The 16 ounce limit, on the other hand, is going to fail a lot of perfectly fine javelins by a small, but unsolvable margin and force people to buy expensive cores (read: KITESPAR) to meet a standard that IMO is excessive.
Isk wrote:Black Cat wrote:Setting the limit to 16 ounces however, in my opinion, is a bad move. The limit should be 18 ounces, not 16. 2 ounces might not sound like much of a difference, but this would allow most safe homebrew javelins to pass while still solving the issue of javelins weighing too much on the field.
The 16 ounce limit, on the other hand, is going to fail a lot of perfectly fine javelins by a small, but unsolvable margin and force people to buy expensive cores (read: KITESPAR) to meet a standard that IMO is excessive.
16 may be too low as it makes building a 1/2" core jav difficult, but any noob should be able to build a passing 16oz jav on 3/8" fiberglass, which, IME, is cheaper than 1/2". The more expensive argument is fail.
Isk wrote:If you were saying that 3/8" cored javs fail hit sooner, that's an issue of crappy construction and is easily fixed with a quality leather or plastic cap on the base can while building.
Forkbeard wrote:Black Cat.
SHUT UP.
You do not make Javlins. You do not know about this subject and have no vested interest in it's outcome. You are just arguing to agrue. It is irratating.
I know you feel like you have a handle on this issue, but you lack the field experience necasarry to argue this point correctly.
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