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Varadin wrote:. . . Id like to see someone at the next big event run some numbers on javalins, See how many under what weight pass, and how many at more of weight fail. Also marking the reason for the fail (head wobble, hit, felt core). Ill see what i can do at one of my local events around here since we dont see to many of the standard javalins out this way. This will be a smaller test and it will be colder so im not sure what the outcome will be.
Derian wrote:Well, ****. Par is right.
Arrakis wrote:My most recent jav build, an honestly kind of sloppily-constructed 49-incher on .602 kitespar, weighs ~12 oz. I'll re-weigh it again when I get home tonight or tomorrow morning.
Javelins Tested at Samhain 2010
Pass
Weight Comments
18.7 1/2" solid fiberglass core
22.9 1/2" solid fiberglass core, extra padded haft
16.3 1/2" solid fiberglass core
19.9 1/2" solid fiberglass core
10.4 .602" Kitespar, ~5'6" long
Fail
Weight Comments
25.9 Weight (these were dag javs with the 3.5" head)
27.3 Weight (these were dag javs with the 3.5" head)
13.7 3/8" core, tons of flex
13.8 3/8" core, tons of flex
13.7 3/8" core, tons of flex
13.6 3/8" core, tons of flex
13.7 3/8" core, tons of flex
23.9 Flex
11.6 Flex
14.5 Flex
14.7 Flex
13.4 Flex
13.4 Flex
13.8 Flex
13.7 Flex
Isk wrote:Fail
Weight Comments
25.9 Weight (these were dag javs with the 3.5" head)
27.3 Weight (these were dag javs with the 3.5" head)
13.7 3/8" core, tons of flex
13.8 3/8" core, tons of flex
13.7 3/8" core, tons of flex
13.6 3/8" core, tons of flex
13.7 3/8" core, tons of flex
23.9 Flex
11.6 Flex
14.5 Flex
14.7 Flex
13.4 Flex
13.4 Flex
13.8 Flex
13.7 Flex
Conclusion: If we lower the weight limit significantly, we will have to adjust flex rules. The other option would be to require kitespar javs only
Cyric wrote:Javelins can flex up to 90 degrees. how were you testing these that so many failed for flex? and how long were they?
Richard le Gris wrote:Subject: Lower max jav weightArrakis wrote:My jav passes the new Dag rules.
But I'm awesome.
I made a Dag legal javelin using your tutorial and a 3/8" solid fiberglass 4' rod, and it weighs right at 16 oz. I used pipe insulation and carpet tape for the haft padding, so I can probably shave weight by going to an aerosol adhesive. It's passed Byzantium Anniversary and Oktoberfest, for what that's worth. I only PM you because I am not cool enough to reply directly.
Isk wrote:Satanaka, what about testing for flex? Did you guys test the same way I described and did many fail flex?
Satanaka wrote:from what I could tell- flex was checked like normal greens or even like a red. Not much issues with flex that I remember.Isk wrote:Satanaka, what about testing for flex? Did you guys test the same way I described and did many fail flex?
Shouldn't this be an issue for the Heralds to determine at weapons check? I have seen many Javalins that range from 12 to 24 onces that still passed and were safe. By adding such tight limits- are we not just making in where you HAVE to get Javalins from Edhellen? BTW- I get mine from Edhellen but I also think people need to be able to make their own. If "joe the fighter' can make one that is safe and passes every test and it weighs in at 18 onces- why do we want to limit people? Do we really want to start making rules that do this?
I don't think we need a rule with weighs for a Javalin. Heralds can tell if it is safe or not. Missile weapons get checked every day (should)- so I think we can police it via the Heralds.
moxk wrote:Agreed. We don't make arrow rules any less stringent so that joe noob can make arrows. why should we have lower expectations for javs.
Varadin wrote:moxk wrote:Agreed. We don't make arrow rules any less stringent so that joe noob can make arrows. why should we have lower expectations for javs.
Yeah but i can make a 23.5 ounce javalin that is safe now.
Varadin wrote:Its like red swords, At 12 ounces a red sword would be safer to the hit, but i dont want to take its mim weight down or put a max weight on it. If they are checked properly you shouldn't need to care. We don't have weapons dimension minimums anymore because it comes down to a check.
Arrakis wrote:Varadin wrote:moxk wrote:Agreed. We don't make arrow rules any less stringent so that joe noob can make arrows. why should we have lower expectations for javs.
Yeah but i can make a 23.5 ounce javalin that is safe now.
Safe for the face? How? I don't know of any combination of foams and techniques that could keep 23.5 oz from breaking your nose on a full-strength throw from 25 feet.
Black Cat wrote:1/2" fiberglass is $4.49 per core.
Big King Jimmy wrote:The number of times I've talked to a checker who felt an arrow or jav and barely passed it, only to have me say "Okay, can I throw it at your face?" to see them go wide eyed and shocked and say "NOOOO! Fail." shocks me.
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