Dual daggers

[Elyk]

Is this a smart idea or not. My idea was that for one, it would be fun to kill people with daggers. And two that when I got good enoughe to use daggers, I would be able to swich to bigger weapons and be a LOT better. Ideas or suggestions?

[Kyrian]

Double daggers can be a fun fighting style but I wouldn't recommend it to be your first. If you choose to use double daggers as your first fighting style, just be prepared for a stiff learning curve. Not only will you have to develop your in-fighting skills but you'll be a magnet for missiles. If I saw you on the field with two daggers, I'd probably take a shot at you with an arrow. However, if you like doing the skirmishing thing and fighting alone--moving around the fight, waiting for opportunities, and then rushing in to make quick attacks while moving away just as quickly--then double daggers can be effective. Also keep in mind that single-handed stabs don't go through armor. In the middle of a large melee without the benefit of a shield or longer weapons, it would definitely be a challenge.

I normally recommend either fighting with one sword or, better yet, a sword and about a 28" round shield as a first style. Sword and shield are fairly balanced between offense and defense and the smaller shield encourages you to develop your footwork. The shield also helps to protect against missiles. Too large a shield and you may end up being dependent on its protection. As an example, my squire, Wraith, prefers using a large punch shield. I've been encouraging him to fight with a round shield. He's noticed that he's less likely to get hit in the legs when fighting with the larger shield because he understands how footwork can help with defense.

Kyrian

[Zzyzx]

Is this a smart idea or not. My idea was that for one, it would be fun to kill people with daggers. And two that when I got good enoughe to use daggers, I would be able to swich to bigger weapons and be a LOT better. Ideas or suggestions?

Not a bad plan. You'll gain:

1 - Field awareness
2 - Stealth
3 - Speed and Timing
4 - Accuracy in blocking
5 - Busted up hands from Punch blocking larger weapons

All this is good, but as far as technique, you'll pretty much have to learn Sword and Board by fighting w/Sword and Board, Florentine by fighting Florentine, etc.

It can't hurt (aside from the hands). Of course it is harder to blend into a crowd and not be seen in a smaller fighting field environment.

Have fun with it!

[Zzyzx]

If I saw you on the field with two daggers, I'd probably take a shot at you with an arrow.

Good point Kyrian. Yeah, you would get totally owned by archers, unless you were acutely and constantly aware of their position at all times and keeping people (preferably with shields) between you and them.

It's a fun fighting style - however I'd recommend fighting with several different weapons and styles and diversifying your bonds, bee-otch. =)

[Zzyzx]

Also may want to consider that an open hand may be more useful in a fight (grappling an arm or attempting to wrest a weapon away).

[moondog]

not much defense capability's there and remember you need two hands on a dagger to go through armor, but experiment and see if it works for you by all means... although i recommend the other side of the spectrum. get ahold of some big heavy weapons and train your * off with those until they don't seem so big and heavy and you can properly defend yourself and get kills then switch to something lighter or smaller and you'll see for yourself what I'm talking about a dagger is a good side arm or assassination tool

[Elyk]

I already have the fallowing weaons, and can beat anyone in the relm with them.

Najinata (Shorter Glaive)
Edhellen Teardrop sheild
Edhellen Single blade axe
Short sword. (2 feet-ish)
Longer(er) sword. (40")
Red sword. (52")

Yea, My relm sucks, ther's only a few people that pose any challenge to anyone. That and ther's no archers here yet. Want some soon though. (Still not really a relm, should have a request to be in soon though. We're REALLY new, as in the last month or two. )

[Elyk]

double post. My bad.

[savetuba]

next time I'm out your way I'll school you in pole arms


and I love dagger fighting with a tower sheild. You blend in well and you can charge at someone and at the last moment drop your sheild and jump on their back stabing them 2 handed. But double daggers is asking for more trouble than its worth.

[graavish]

got to agree cause the first time you come at me or some one like me with dual daggers and my back isn't the thing facing you i'm going to hit you with my long handle 42 inch sword before you can get close enough to do anything but like everyone said try i actual was trying all different styles until i went to my first event because not only are there better fighters at event their are fighters who just fight different so i would suggest getting a favorite style and doing what teegee recommended pick up something heavy then change up i use edhellen punch tower and long blue kitespar but i started with reds then when i switched to sword and board i was using double core fiberglass if i remember correctly (all i really remember is really heavy when i first picked it up) when that because light i picked up my long kitespar and was fast as ****

[Elyk]

Oh no. I'd have to use somthing a little more reasonable when I fight with you guys. But until then, In my two-horse-town, do you guys thing it would be worth it? Nobody here, REALLY has any "skill". More or less we're all noobs.

(Savetuba: Yea, come school us on polearms. I'm sure you'd have fun hacking through the masses!)

[Kage]

13 my advice to you would be to fight with whatever you are most comfortable with and get the basics down and not to really get serious with anything else yet. Then move on into other types of weaponry. Also never let yourself get closed minded when people offer you constructive critisism. Stay open minded always. As a side note I would be more than happy to discuss fighting tips with you through the pm service. I know if have some helpful information, you might be able to use.

[Izanaki]

13 my advice to you would be to fight with whatever you are most comfortable with and get the basics down and not to really get serious with anything else yet. Then move on into other types of weaponry. Also never let yourself get closed minded when people offer you constructive critisism. Stay open minded always. As a side note I would be more than happy to discuss fighting tips with you through the pm service. I know if have some helpful information, you might be able to use.

I agree with Kage's comment on fighting with what your comfortable with. If you can really kill everyone in your realm with pretty much any weapon, or atleast feel confident enough, then i say, do duel daggers to assess your ability to move faster, and stealthier than anyone else, and to be able to move in and out of combat, taking limbs and lives as you do.

Maybe you can have a longer handle for your daggers. It may be better to have a longer dagger in your off hand, based on your fighting stance, so this way, your off hand gets more reach, if that shoulder is facing away from your enemy, while you attack. Also, longer handles are good if you wana add a hand guard.[/url]

[Elyk]

Thanx all!

[debuenzo]

...if you want to fight that way...do it

expect to get killed way more often

and besides....you can always switch between fights

do whatever the hell you please....honestly...i would love to get totally owned by a duel dagger wielder...i would have to tip my hat

[Mawr]

I'd recommend a dagger and a short (18 inches or so) blue/green for those times you run into armored opponents.

[Elyk]

So just to get this strait. The only way to get at an armored opponent is to stab wtih 2 hands, yea? I can't disable armor with one hit and then take him out with the next?

[Zzyzx]

you could stab an opponents armor with a one-handed green all day, no damage

3.2.2.3. Class 3 (thrusting) Weapons wielded one-handed cause one hit of damage to an unarmored Target Area. Class 3 Weapons also cause two hits of damage when wielded two-handed against a Target Area, ignoring any Armor the Target Area may have. If the Target Area is armored, the Weapon must be wielded two-handed to cause damage to the Target Area. A one-handed strike causes no injury to an Armored Target Area.

[Elyk]

Wouldn't that be fun. Thanx for the help. Any other suggestions?

[Elyk]

I built the first of the daggers last night (12:00) and I like it alright. It's rather fun to jump in on a guy and nail the chest. Seems to be followed by instant pain though.

I deleted your double post.--Kyrian

[moondog]

who's more or less a noob? i don't think i read that right...
what kind of instant pain ?????

[Elyk]

Sorry. We're all more or less noobs. Only been doing this for a few months now. And the instant pain is my little brother ( ). He does't seem to know to stop once your dead. So despite killing him, I wind up gettin' beat kinda hard from just standing there after i kill 'em.


I built the other dagger last night. Bit longer (for my off hand). They'r about 21 inches, and about 25 inches now. both (Somehow) are exactly 11.75 oz. Both have handgards, which I wasn't sure how to make. I ended up taking a longer peice of closed cell, putting a strip of open cell on the inside of it, then poking holes in it to slide it on the handle, and then add the pommel to keep it on. Works nicly, but I have to wear gloves to keep the cover tape from ripping holes in my knuckles. Over all, I love em. Still waiting to get a real fight in with them though. Mostly I've just played around with em.

[Grey]

well, i like to fight sheild, sword, and have a dagger behind my sword so that way if i get a sheild broken i can still punch block with my dagger (sword doesn't have a hand gaurd)

plus my dagger is prettier than all ya'lls daggers!

[Elyk]

Yea, mines but ugly. True story.

[Faolan]

Grey makes his daggers like someone would if they were putting the stabby on a blade so it looks nice. He puts a lot of duct tape on the non-striking edges so that people don't try tohit other people with it.

It hurts like crap if you get hit with it.

[Grey]

:clarifiying herons post:

it hurts when you get them swung and you not when you're stabbed

[Elyk]

That's a good idea. I thinks I'll have to do that. Just after I had them made a stupid little git swung with 'em and broke 'em. * idiots.

[debuenzo]

i saw a long parrying dagger

it had a crossguard and was probably like 15 inches long

O==(=======D
pom non-striking \stabby tip

it was cool
he got second in the green weapon challenge (almost beat a spear)

[Elyk]

I got them repaired, sorta. They should be in working condition now at least. But I don't know wether I want to stab people with them or beat the poo outta the annoying ones with the duct tape. Oh well, now their multi-purposed!

[Grey]

yes i like to beat the poo out of stupid noobs with the duct tape part

[Elyk]

Ok, I'll loan 'em to ya!

[Grey]

that won't be neccesary, i have my own.

and they're prettier than yours

so i can beat the poo out of noobs and look good doing it!

[Elyk]

that won't be neccesary, i have my own.

and they're prettier than yours

so i can beat the poo out of noobs and look good doing it!

*.

[Kyrian]

This topic's getting off-topic. Stay focused please.

Kyrian

[Black Cat]

One must focus, grasshopper.

Getting back on topic...

I am going to make a twin set of blue/green daggers that will be around the minimum length allowable for a blue weapon. (12" + handle and pommel) I am most likely going to use them as back-up weapons.

[Elyk]

Yea? I gotta find a way to carry mine if I'm gonna use them as backup. Any suggestions?

[Black Cat]

I'm working on that. It'll be a while before I come up with my final design though. I'm coming up with a design for wire-framed fabric sheaths for my blue swords right now. I plan on doing the same kind of thing for my daggers. It should be much easier to make such sheaths for them than it will be for my swords since they'll be smaller. I am also going to be looking at different ways of mounting a spare dagger to my shield when I make it.

I am still thinking all of this stuff up, but I'll try to post pics when they are made.

[Grey]

you could put velcro on the pommel and strap it to your belt.

or you make a small sheath(i reccomend cardboard, trust me it looks decent)

or you can hide it behind your sheild like me! (if you had a shield, i'm assuming you don't cause your hands will have daggers in them)

[Magpie Saegar]

I'm coming up with a design for wire-framed fabric sheaths

be careful with that. it could be cool, but it could also be considered dangerous to have a bit of wire strapped on your side during combat.



i made a nice sheath out of cardboard and black duct tape. i'm guessing that makes it safer.

but feel free to experiment.

[Black Cat]

I am going to have the wire completely covered by fabric. I am also going to dull the ends of the wire and maybe even come up with a way to cap those ends so that they don't poke through the fabric.

[Faolan]

I don't think you can dull edges on things like that.

Like trying to dull a needle. It won't be pionty but it can still poke through things pretty easily.

[Osric]

I am in agreeance with Faolan. You could loop the ends around and solder the end to the body of the wire, or just use some fat coat hanger wire. As for the style, I just use one dagger and go nuts tearing through armor if I can get behind a line. I'm a fatty, though, so it doesn't happen often. Fast footwork and battle cognition would probably benefit the most. And you may want to invest in some gloves because you'll get really sore from all the punch blocking.

[Black Cat]

Thanks for the tip, Faolan.

I'm still coming up with the design and am going to find a way to not have the ends facing the edges of any part of the sheath. I am also going to cap the ends with some kind of material, just to be safe.

Does anybody have any suggestions as to what I should use to cap the ends of the wire? I was thinking about using rubber slingshot yoke caps since I have a few sets of them laying around and since I am going to try to get my hands on 1/4" diameter wire.

[Juicer]

As an alternative to sheaths, you can just wear a belt and tuck the pommel underneath it. It works pretty well.

[Black Cat]

I tried that, It don't stay there when I am running. Then again, I am using blue broadswords and not daggers when I do it, so maybe that idea will work for the daggers.

I am actually using a belt-strap type thing to hold my swords until I get my sheaths made. It works well, but it takes a long time to get it undone from around my sword handle. It also allows my sword to fly all over the place and interfere with my movement.

[Elyk]

I got a peice of fabric with some good strecht to it that I think I'll use as a belt to hold the daggers. I have had guards on them, so I hope they'll stay in a little better.

[Sir_Mel]

try using duct tape to cover the ends. duct just so happens to be the most amazing tool on the planet. And I think you could probably just tuck the sword under your belt. There's a guy in our realm who fights with a glaive and carries a flail under his belt as a sidearm, tis pretty wicked if you ask me. Also, if you have problems and can't punch block but blocking with the blade hurst your hand too much, use a bent dagger. The curve in the blade helps to absorb the impact a little and makes it so not as much stress is put on your hands and wrists. Anyway, hope some of that helps.
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