Carrying multiple weapons and a shield

[Black Cat]

I have decided that I want to carry these weapons all at once during battle.

1. a 52" red sword
2. a 47" blue sword with the same blade length and counterweight point
3. a teardrop or heater style shield that can also be worn on my back
4. a bow in a sheath on my back and a hip quiver

I want to do this so that I can use a red-sword, dual-swords, a sword and shield, and arch all in the same battle.

Is this a good idea? Or will some group of Battle-Nazis frown upon it because I will be wearing a "turtle-shield" while using my bow or my other weapons?

[Zzyzx]

As long as you are only carrying 1 shield you can carry as many weapons as you want.

Good idea? Just go out there and try it. See if it works for you.

[Mercer]

The only issue I see is getting it so all your extra equipment doesn't get in your way while running, fighting, etc. Also, you'll have to be careful to note when you take hits to "sheathed" weapons; those count as hitting the body part they lay over.

Otherwise, if you can make it work, more power to ya.

[Vokor]

also if your bow gets hit it would be broke and you would not be able to arch. but man play the game the way you want to. as long as youstay safe have fun!!

[Elyk]

also if your bow gets hit it would be broke and you would not be able to arch. but man play the game the way you want to. as long as youstay safe have fun!!

That's the only problem I can see with it. Maybe you already have some seaths or somthin, but I find it hard to carry mor than one, maybe two, weaopns. Probably just me and my style though. Seems to work for most other people.

[savetuba]

yeah I tried doing the same kiind of thing. Problem was I couldn't access the weapons I wanted fast enough. I could be reding and someone would rush me and I try to put away the red and draw my blue and shield.

Even if you have a blue straped to one leg, a red on one hip and arrows on the other, a rounded shield and a bow with sheath you won't be able to use the sheild without knocking off the bow. The arrows and red sword will get in the way of blocking shots and they(enemy weapons) only need to hit the sword or the quiver for it to count as a leg. A good 6-12" less distance the weapon has to travel than if you weren't wearing those "extras". And if the sheild is on your back you had better expect red hits to your back even if you don't see them coming.

[Black Cat]

What I was going to do was cross the blue and red swords on my back and have my bow underneath them in a fabric sheath angled with one of the swords in a way that won't interfere with drawing either the bow or the swords. Then I was going to have my shield on top of that. The quiver(s) of arrows will be on my leg attached to me by my belt and a leg strap.

I was going to find a way to angle the bow on my back so that it won't hurt when my shield gets hit while I'm redding or using my red and blue swords as blues for florentining. Either that, or I was going to find a way to foam pad the inside of my bow sheath when I make it without interfering with sheathing/unsheathing my bow when I need it and without taking too much space up so that the shield will fit on my back properly.

This arrangement will require special sheaths as well as knowing how to make a good bow case, but it can be done. The only problem I just thought of is how to make my shield attach to my back with all of this knivery without requiring large straps that will dangle when I try to use the shield normally. That could become a safety hazard very quickly, especially if the straps dangle long enough to trip over. Any suggestions on how to remedy this problem would be welcome.

As for getting rushed, I am going to be a skirmisher, so all I will need to do is run away and re-enter the fray when I have what I want drawn. If whoever is chasing me is faster, I will just have to hopefully defeat whoever is rushing me with whatever weapon I have on hand. Doing that is a common skill among ninjas and will be one that I will surely have to learn well and practice at.

By the way, >

[Black Cat]

edited for double-post

[Elyk]

By the way, >

Right on!

[Izanaki]

what you could do to help carry all those weapons is:

if the shield is strapped, then just stick a sword between your arm and the shield, this way, you can drop one sword and draw the other.

or

if the shield is a punch, minimize handle thickness, so then, you can hold onto the handle of your punch and a sword/bow at the same time.

or

make some kind of sheath that attaches to the back side of your shield so then the sword is held, pommel side, up in the air, towards the top of your shield, then with an additional strap, when you want to go florentine, just let go of your shield, and then it will fall away to your side, where you can then grab the sword out of the sheath, which would then become level height with your waist, then sling the shield onto your back.

[debuenzo]

yea...if any of your gear (minus the shield) gets hit while on you....it will be anvilling and you'll have to take the hit

i assume you know this already

usually....the more things you have...the more you have to think about what to do....and sometimes, this can be ineffective and basically nullify your role in the battle

i sometimes get frustrated with myself because i hold on to my javelin for too long and realize that im not killing anyone

if i were you...id start out arching....expend all my arrows, "break" my bow and set it down (or toss it off to the side)

then go shield/ florentine/ red/ etc

[Izanaki]

debuenzo is right about everything he says. If you stop and think to much, your probably gonna get mowed down. And with a large shield, you may get shield bashed while you stand there contemplating whether or not to go florentine, or sword and board.

Since im assuming you are interested in arching, heres one thing you can do as an alternative: get a crossbow, have a rope hold the handle to ur wrist, which is behind the shield, then just pop it out for a sneak shot here and there, incase someone better than you with that particular weapon, gets too close.

[Vokor]

I don't know if you will be able to use a crossbow. There was a big stink when koom brought his to spring war last year.

[Black Cat]

Thanks for the ideas. I'm sure I'll think of a way to mount all of these weapons efficiently. I will know for sure when I start building them. As for the crossbow, I will have to keep that in mind, although I'm sure it'll just be a waste of money with the way Belegarth politics are going. I sure hope not. Crossbow and shield is an effective tactic that I want to use during at least one event.

I hope to have all of this planned out and finished by spring war so that I can show everyone and so I can test my final design. I also have a bloody challenge with the horde. The weather hasn't exactly been cooperative though, so I will most likely be using loaner weapons until summer. I have heard that DAP sticks like crap in cold weather and that weapons made in cold weather break easier. I guess I should have thought of that before I challenged those monsters. Oops!

Also, does anybody know where to buy a crossbow that is under 15 pounds? I have no idea where to get one. I have never even seen them.

[debuenzo]

i dont know if said crossbows even exist...

[Black Cat]

I wish that they would change the rules for crossbows so that they are measured in inch-pounds or by feet-per-second instead of draw weight so that I can use a crossbow with a decent poundage. I am trying to remember what forum I read that idea in.

[Elyk]

So what's the problem with crossbows?

[Black Cat]

The problem is that I can't find a crossbow that is 15 pounds or less and that even if I do, it won't shoot further than a few feet. I mainly have a problem with the former.

[Elyk]

Sorry, I ment to ask what was wrong with bringing the crossbow to spring war. But yea, I can see how that small poundage could suck.

[debuenzo]

yea, im yet to see a 15# crossbow

im not sure whether i like this or not

crossbows are cool and all, but if the rules change to a more readily available crossbow, i think a lot of people would start using them

which inherently isnt a bad thing....it would just be more rigid/ potentially dangerous things on the field

nor would i want a battle getting bogged down in a wild west shoot-out with x-bows

[Black Cat]

Maybe I should just have Forkbeard teach me how to use javelins.

[Magpie Saegar]

i don't believe koom brought a crossbow to spring war, he brought a wrist rocket type sling shot to spring war (for shooting rocks).

it was a pretty cool idea, but there were a lot of rules debates about it.

[Vokor]

Yae that is right

[Ye Olde eyrtk!]

Ahki had a crossbow less than 15lbs, it just couldn't shoot more than five feet. I think the only problem brought up with carrying all those weapons is the bow. If you get into close combat with a bow strapped to you your likely to hurt somebody.

[moondog]

hey if your really a ninja i'm sure it won't be a problem but, if not, you'll perish with the rest of the perpetrators!!!!!!!!!!!!mmrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Teej]

Sounds like you'll be armed to the teeth... Hope you know how much it will hinder you down, not only that but you'll be an even bigger target since your weapons count as a hit.

Also... Make sure you're good enough with ONE weapon before you go toting four into the field.

[Magpie Saegar]

battles are short.

i suggest you carry no more than two weapon combinations onto the field at a time. that gives you some good versatility options, while retaining mobility, smaller target size, and some pretense of not being ridiculous.

then you can switch weapon combination sets between battles.

[Black Cat]

I might do that. Any idea where I can get a 15 pound crossbow? I will have to forget about toting the extra sword and the bow if I use the plan I just thought of, but I will be able to do most of what I want. I may use this combo instead.

Red sword (red so that I can use it as a red if my shield gets broken)
Large teardrop or tower strap shield
Small-Medium sized crossbow (attached to my left wrist with velcro strap)
Bolt quiver

I may also carry a bag of javelins on my back, depending on whether I learn how to use them or not.

Good idea?


By the way TeeDge, I will practice and do practice battles with my weapons individually so that I get good with all of them. Then I will try out my weapon combinations that I want to do and see if they work. I just wish that Aquilonia would start having practices sometime soon. I am good for a beginner, but I won't stand a chance against Vokor if I can't practice and get an effective combination of weapons picked out.

[V-Hil]

Have you ever fought before? I am just curious because of all the chatter you have done. I might suggest you try it out in a duelling situation because a lot of small practices flow alot faster than the mass melees of the midwest and Chaos Wars.

[Black Cat]

Thanks for the tip. I just hope that people aren't thinking that this multi-weapon combo stuff is a joke.

[Vokor]

No we know you are just new, That is ok To tell you the truth learn one wepon combo first, get good with that them move to some thing new. But if you wan to roll with a lot of stuff rock out! You will see what works for you and move from there. I started with two blue green swords, moved to a punch sheild and a club and now i fight with a srtap sheild and sword. just have fun man.

[Zzyzx]

Option #2 for someone who likes to fight with different weapon styles in a single battle is to go out with one set of weapons and then pick up weapons from the dead as the battle progresses

[Zi'gor]

Just don?t expect to be able to pick up a bow on the field, most archers won?t let you just pick up their bows because they are so expensive.

[Black Cat]

I know. Mine is going to cost me $90.00 plus tax and shipping + handling. That will end up being over 3/4 of my Christmas money. The rest of it will likely be spent on arrows and foam head kits from Edhellen, since I am a newbie and I don't know how to make my own arrows. I've heard that Edhellen is the best way to go for your first arrow set.

I think that the bow I am going to get is actually the same one that I have seen a picture of someone in the Horde using. It is a 54" AIM Bullseye recurve 30#. It looks like a good bow.

I have also seen a 62" bow at Cabela's for the same price with the same poundage, but I don't want to try to carry a bow that long, especially since I want to carry at least one other weapon set with it.

[savetuba]

I've heard that Edhellen is the best way to go for your first arrow set

Providing they ship them to you within the first 5 months.

[Teej]

I'm debating rather I should go to Spring War or not. Taking enough time off work for Winter War and Beltaine. If I find that I will be able to go, I'll pm ya. Maybe we can arrange some one on one noob fights man. You can practice on someone of similar belegarth experience, before you fight all those duels you got ahead of ya, lol.

[Teej]

but I won't stand a chance against Vokor if I can't practice and get an effective combination of weapons picked out.

Effective combo of weapons... do you have a tank? lol there's a game called Vokor vs World... just don't let the duel resort to grappling:)

[Black Cat]

That would be good to fight some newer fighters for this year. I have a tendancy to get way ahead of myself on things. Probably the earliest I should challenge Vokor to a fight would be Chaos Wars XI or XII, depending on how good I get and how quickly.

I just hope that rumors of what happened today don't get spread across any of the realms or across this board. If it does, I won't even want to come out and fight because of all the teasing. I would actually much rather have my thread deleted from the General Mayhem forum, just to keep this from spreading.

[Teej]

Well to be honest bud, pretty much everyone on the boards saw it, I think that thread had 501 reads last I checked, lol. I don't think anyone would be immature enough to resort to teasing you MONTHS later. To be honest, this is the most welcoming, and helpful community I've ever come across online. You just approached introducing yourself wrong man.

You gotta drop the youthful "I'm hard/gangsta," mentality and humble yourself. You started out fine, but you took offense to the first little thing. Then developed a personal vendetta against a respected group within the community. Rather in-character or not, just watch what you type bud, and loosen up a little.

Worst thing you did was just show that people they could get to you, especially on a boring Sunday, with no cheap entertainment until the superbowl...

If it bothers you that much, just register under a new name, lay low for a couple days and start again... I know you're new, you probably feel you have something to prove, but do that on the field man, not the boards... Any average joe can talk **** when behind a monitor...

Anyway let me know if you end up getting a new name and start out fresh, that way I can PM you and we can do a few noob duels bud...

[graavish]

dude we're the HoRdE we are going to tease even if you didn't challenge Vo'Kor but don't worry about it. it is all in good fun. and on topic, i'm with vo'kor go with one combo and maybe javs or a bow and get good with them. i started with a red then tower punch an sword and now round and sword. the secret trick is ................go and do whatever you want because the point is to have fun. if you want to wear full plate mail and carrier a red sword and shield and call yourself sir vorpal kickass'o then do it

[shiv]

Ertyk, is that John Kerry in your avatar???

If so: BWAHHAAHHAHAHAHWHAHAHAHAHHWHAHAHAHHAAAA.

If not, then nevermind.

[Peregrine]

I've heard that Edhellen is the best way to go for your first arrow set

Providing they ship them to you within the first 5 months.

I have never had a shipment take more than three days.

[Vokor]

Kitty, As Graavish pointed out, we as the horde are here to be the emeny. We mess with every one that is the role we play. do not worrie about the fight with me. I am a mid level fight at best, other people say I am big maybe a little large. I do not see it. if you want to learn this is what is did and still do. I look for people the a **** great and goand fight them. Peter the Quick, Sir Galin, Bhaktor, Davit, Sir Tible, many others out there. just goup to them and ask them to fight if they say no call them out ( at this time you will most likey get owned) But you will learn. at the opener I fought Peter , Galin, Kenny, and Sir Tible. I won some i lost more but each time i was tought some thing.

to tell you the truth the only time you reraly lose in this game is when youi do not have fun.

See you soon Kitty( and i will call you Kitty untill we fight, If you come tyo sping war Call me out give me a reasonto call you Black Cat untill them you are Kitty)

[Ye Olde eyrtk!]

Yes, yes it is, fear John Kerry.

[Black Cat]

I am a beginner level player with very little experience, but I have been told by several people that I will be able to kick * once I have my fighting technique down.

As for my size, I am somewhat tall, but am quite small otherwise. I am also light as a feather at 140 pounds. I am easy to knock around, but I am quick and agile. I am also strong for my size. I shouldn't have to worry about people rhino-hiding when I hit them, that is for sure.

The only reason I know as much about Belegarth as I do is because I have been reading up on it a lot and have read the book of war many times over. I have mainly been doing this so that I can show up to my first (technically fourth) practice with my own weapons. That likely won't happen though because it keeps snowing and staying too cold outside for my DAP to be able to dry. I guess I should have made the thing last year before winter.

As for being hard, people have made me that way. People haven't been very nice to me.

[shiv]

I shouldn't have to worry about people rhino-hiding when I hit them, that is for sure.

The reason why rhino-hiding is so annoying is because people who rhino-hide shrug off hits no matter how hard you hit them. That's what rhino-hiding is.

[Black Cat]

If anyone ever does that to me, I'll just have to get myself one of Crazy Eddie's Big-Ass maces. I'll just go tell a herald when the battle is over at first, but failing that, using one of those maces on the offender the following practice doesn't sound like a bad idea.

[savetuba]

seriously I have hit people with a 2 handed swung glaive and they still don't take the hit. for some it is to much of an embarisment that they were hit so they pretend not to be hit.

[Derian]

Dude, you just need to relax. All of this baddassery that you want so badly will come in time. You've got to put in your time and make your rounds.

You can spend 24 hours a day reading the boards, but you'll still get your * handed to you. A lot of the reason people are being * to you is becuase you come on and ask for advice about this great idea you have, then when they tell you it won't work (usually because they've been down that road themselves), you spit in their face. Most people are trying to save you embarassment that will come from carrying six different weapon styles onto the field. Honestly, you'll get laughed at. It's just completely unnecessary.

As for those maces you're talking about, really, they suck. Yeah, if you can land a hit on someone it'll move them, but most people will be able to hit you 10+ times before you could even recover the mace for a second red shot.

Just start going to practices and sparring with everyone you can. Don't try to come up with schemes to give yourself an advantage over other people, it just doesn't work in this sport.

[graavish]

wat he say. do dat