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Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3-7 (NEW LOCATION)

Postby Angelus Phoenix » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:11 am

ATTENTION Octoberfest:

We have moved from SHP to Comlara Park (13001 Recreation Area Drive, Hudson, IL 61748).




Again, Numenor will be hosting Octoberfest 2012. All information is subject to change, updates will arrive with more details between now and the event.

Dates: October 3rd-7th, 2012
Location: Comlara Park, 13001 Recreation Area Drive, Hudson, IL 61748
Prices: $30 if you pre-register by September 30th. At the gate, $35 on Wednesday and Thursday, $25 on Friday, and $15 on Saturday (any Day-tripper who checks out before Saturday Feast may receive a nice surprise). Prices change Friday and Saturday at 8am. Also, we accept cash only (at the gate).

Prereg: Will be up until 9/30 on the Forged Foam website. Check Mistie's post below for direct links.

For any group having a public trial or test, please keep them to Thursday and Friday outside of the hours of 12 - 4pm.

Schedule
Wed:
Arrive!

Thursday:
Weapons' Check 9:00 - 11:30am (missile check closes at 10:30)
Pick-Up Battles 10am - 12pm, 4 - 6pm
Main Fighting 12 - 4pm

Friday:
Weapons' Check 9:00 - 11:30am (missile check closes at 10:30)
Pick-Up Battles 10am - 12pm, 4 - 6pm
Main Fighting 12 - 4pm

Saturday:
Weapons' Check 9:00 - 11:30am (missile check closes at 10:30)
Pick-Up Battles 10am - 12pm, 4 - 6pm
Main Fighting 12 - 4pm

Sunday:
Go home!

For more general info, follow this link:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19B7 ... mAGJ0/edit

Here are the Rules:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bpN ... GqMco/edit

Here's the site map.

COMING SOON!

Class Schedule

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... KTUE#gid=1

Heralding Sign-up Sheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... zdWc#gid=0

Security Sign-up Sheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... nWGc#gid=0

Troll Sign-up Sheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... aeHc#gid=0

Garb Rules for Fest:

T-shirts
T-shirts must be worn underneath either a tabard or full torso armor. White and brightly colored t-shirts are not acceptable unless they fit into your garb/armor motif (i.e., a white T-shirt under Guts' white armor). Otherwise, t-shirts must be neutral in colors (black, brown, olive, navy) and without symbols, graphics, lettering, etc. UA, A-cut shirts ("wife beaters") and tank tops will be treated like t-shirts.

Armor
Armor does not count as garb unless it fully covers the torso. As such, a t-shirt and pauldrons does not qualify as full garb.

Pants
Jeans, camo pants, and cargo pants will not be allowed on the field. Further, sweats must be neutral colored and monochromatic unless it fits your garb motif. Track pants and shorts are debatable unless they are worn underneath a piece of passing garb (e.g., underneath a kilt or hakama).

To clarify:

Acceptable (Minimums)
Neutral t-shirt and tabard
T-shirt and full torso armor
No shirt (for men), Sports bra (women)
Tabard with no shirt (for men), Tabard with Sports bra (women)

Unacceptable
T-shirt
Neutral t-shirt and less-than-full torso armor
Jeans, camo pants, or cargo pants

For blatant infractions, heralds will remove people from the field. For debatable items, the heralds will confer as a group and decide whether or not your garb is sufficient. Any fighter removed for a garb infraction may return to fighting after changing into better garb and speaking with the herald that removed them.

-Edit by Kenneth: Title and Location changed from SHP to TBD
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th

Postby Static » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:45 am

Yay, official time and place!
Time to start plotting. I mean planning.
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby DragoonAntoinette » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:05 pm

There IS SOOOO MUCH LOVE for this thread!!!!!!
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby Dreidel » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:11 pm

Wow! How did this come to be? I'm really curious!
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby Hobbes Spizzlecog » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:26 pm

Muy excellente.

What's the plan on arrival time for fest? Looking at potentially taking a travel day before and after, but I don't know as that will be necessary, the drive isn't too atrocious.


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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby Angelus Phoenix » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:48 am

Hobbes, can you please be a little more specific?
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby Hobbes Spizzlecog » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:56 am

Is there a specific time when we can start showing up? Is anything going to be going on beyond random pickup fighting on Wednesday? When is/might weapons check be each day?
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby Angelus Phoenix » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:34 am

Hobbes, check this page ever so often for updates. Over the course of the next several weeks we'll update with the earliest time you can arrive on Wednesday, the latest time you can leave on Sunday, and what events are planned throughout the weekend.
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby DJordan » Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:26 am

Is there any discount on the event fee for people traveling a healthy chunk?

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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby Angelus Phoenix » Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:37 am

Purp,

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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby DJordan » Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:56 am

Do you know what the price was last year? I'd like to budget this whole thing out.

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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby Angelus Phoenix » Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:04 am

We're still working on prices, but assume $35ish. We should have hard numbers within the next couple weeks.
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby DJordan » Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:56 am

Awsome. Thanks for being so prompt with your replies, I really appreciate it.

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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby Angelus Phoenix » Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:06 am

Hey guys, we want to have more than just the normal fighting classes this year. Before we finalize the schedule we need to know if there is interest in the below list of classes. As long as there is enough interest we'll have them. We have teachers for most, but if you would like to help or have suggestions for other classes please let me know. For those of you with FB accounts, here is the poll to decide which of the below we'll have: https://www.facebook.com/events/497441933603473/.

Garb 101: What is Basic Garb and Where Do I get Some?

Garb 102: Feast/Night Garb

Garb 103: Accessories

Meal Planning: Planning Meals for Your Unit/Realm at Events

Pattern Making: Making A Pattern from something you already own!

Native Decorative Beadwork:

Sewing 1-on-1's:

Heralding:

How To Run/Work Troll:

Cross-Game Teaching: Review of Belegarth Ruleset for Cross-gamers

Applique:

Weapon Construction:

How to Weapons’ Check/Run Weapons’ Check:

Leatherworking:

Chanter Classes for Piping:

Poi:

Yoga:
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby Angelus Phoenix » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:28 pm

All, we need volunteers to Herald and run Troll. Sign up sheets are below.

Heralding Sign up Sheet

Troll Sign up Sheet

Also, if you have any general questions please refer to my Notes first.
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby Sir Misti » Thu Aug 23, 2012 9:27 am

Pre-Registration is up!

Individuals
Pre-Reg is $30 per person. Please include the following information for all individuals you are pre-registering for:
*Real First and Last Name(s)
*Fighting Name(s)
*Unit(s)
*Realm(s)
If you pre-register 10+ people you can reserve a campsite.

Merchant
Merchant Pre-Reg is $50. This includes your merchant fee plus an entry fee for one person. Please include the following information:
*Name of Tent
*Real First and Last Name
*Fighting Name
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby Tails » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:44 pm

Since when are there campsites to reserve?
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby Angelus Phoenix » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:48 pm

Hey, I set the permissions incorrectly on the Heralding Sign-up Sheet. These have now been fixed. If you tried to sign-up previously and were unable to, that's why.
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby Angelus Phoenix » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:34 pm

Tails,

I think the sites have always been available for reservation. But only after 10+ pre-registered. As most Bele folk are creatures of habit, I believe everyone just camps where they have been; new groups are wildcards, but how often do we have entirely new groups show up without a camping plan?
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby Hobbes Spizzlecog » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:20 pm

Wording is a bit vague: If someone pre-reges for 10 people they can request a campsite? Or you mean once a unit/realm has 10+ pre-reges they can participate in a land-grab / message you/someone else about getting a site? Either way, I'm not in charge of anything, but want to make sure we have our bases covered!
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby Derian » Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:08 pm

Typically once you have 10+ people willing to camp together you are able to request any campsite. That said, through deals with the park over the past few years, several groups have made significant volunteer contributions to a specific campsite in return for an ongoing reservation.

I am sure that I am incomplete in this list, but I know that House Dregoth, Clan of the Hyrda, and House Hellhammer are three such groups.

Edit: Here is the best map I can find still accessible. It doesn't break down campsites, but I know such a map has been posted in the past. Near as I can tell, Dregoth is in the L10/K10 area, Hydra in H6 and a bit of I6 and HH in H6.
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby DragoonAntoinette » Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:51 pm

Canada Camp is J10 with about half of I10 and half of K10.
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby Sir Misti » Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:37 am

You have always been able to reserve a campsite with 10+ people pre-regestering. Yes, there is a map that shows the "marked out" sites. As soon as there is a group that has enough or I have some free time (whichever happens first), I'll post it. :) this is also why we ask for a realm/unit in your info...so we can track group size. I post a list of those able to reserve as the are able to do so. Hope that helps. Feel free to pm me if you have any further questions about pre-reg.
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby Angelus Phoenix » Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:14 am

Before I discuss the rules and how they will be enforced, allow me to say this: USE COMMON SENSE, DON'T ABUSE THE RULES. If you feel the B.o.W. needs changes, bring that up to the War Council so that loopholes can be fixed in the future. If you're not sure about something, ask: if you need to post pics of your garb to ensure it'll pass, please do so and I will gladly evaluate it.

Without further ado...

Garb Rules for Fest:

T-shirts
T-shirts must be worn underneath either a tabard or full torso armor. White and brightly colored t-shirts are not acceptable unless they fit into your garb/armor motif (i.e., a white T-shirt under Guts' white armor). Otherwise, t-shirts must be neutral in colors (black, brown, olive, navy) and without symbols, graphics, lettering, etc. UA, A-cut shirts ("wife beaters") and tank tops will be treated like t-shirts.

Armor
Armor does not count as garb unless it fully covers the torso. As such, a t-shirt and pauldrons does not qualify as full garb.

Pants
Jeans, camo pants, and cargo pants will not be allowed on the field. Further, sweats must be neutral colored and monochromatic unless it fits your garb motif. Track pants and shorts are debatable unless they are worn underneath a piece of passing garb (e.g., underneath a kilt or hakama).

To clarify:

Acceptable (Minimums)
Neutral t-shirt and tabard
T-shirt and full torso armor
No shirt (for men), Sports bra (women)
Tabard with no shirt (for men), Tabard with Sports bra (women)

Unacceptable
T-shirt
Neutral t-shirt and less-than-full torso armor
Jeans, camo pants, or cargo pants

For blatant infractions, heralds will remove people from the field. For debatable items, the heralds will confer as a group and decide whether or not your garb is sufficient. Any fighter removed for a garb infraction may return to fighting after changing into better garb and speaking with the herald that removed them.
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby varadin » Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:12 pm

trackpants... are never garb and should be thrown off the field.
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby drdook » Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:39 pm

I am wondering if there is a way to confirm my Okfest registration?
My story is that I cant find confirmation and am not sure my effort at registration worked, NOT that I cannot remember if I registered or not no matter what Barley may tell you about my advanced age and memory.
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby X of Grayscale » Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:01 pm

Antoinette wrote:Canada Camp is J10 with about half of I10 and half of K10.


You guys deffinatley have seniority but I have Camped at J10 with my camp for the last 3 years since i started we haven't had many visitors either. Well except maybe when Khador raids our camp lol
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby Ursyne » Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:58 am

Xilof wrote:
Antoinette wrote:Canada Camp is J10 with about half of I10 and half of K10.


You guys deffinatley have seniority but I have Camped at J10 with my camp for the last 3 years since i started we haven't had many visitors either. Well except maybe when Khador raids our camp lol



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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby DragoonAntoinette » Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:15 pm

Xilof wrote:
Antoinette wrote:Canada Camp is J10 with about half of I10 and half of K10.


You guys deffinatley have seniority but I have Camped at J10 with my camp for the last 3 years since i started we haven't had many visitors either. Well except maybe when Khador raids our camp lol


Yup we both camp in J10, you guys normally camp under the willow, which is right across from our tree cove, both in J10! We like our camp its nice. We get plenty of visitors, i think its the Canada thing though.
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby DragoonAntoinette » Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:16 pm

Hello Everyone!
Ellie , GypsieRose, and I will be teaching the Sewing One-On-One's at OctoberFest this year. We are asking that you sign up by September 30th 2012 either by commenting on this post on the facebook event page found here (http://www.facebook.com/events/49744193 ... mall_reply) or by messaging me here on the boards...with you fighter name, your realm name, what day your arriving and what you want to make.

You are responsible for being everything you need for your project with you. If you have questions on what you need, ask one of us. We will be doing 20 min sessions with you.

We want to know ahead of time so we can make sure the person most well suited to your project is who you get scheduled with. The sessions will be happening in the morning, before the opening of the field. So please start with the signing up.
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby X of Grayscale » Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:59 pm

Yes we are ursyne lol and deffinatley been more than two for the last couple of years.

And We have been at J10. Geddon we were there we had 10. We had our camp raided by multiple people durring assassin games. Springwars we had 6 and we camped there. okfest last year we sadly missed, geddon 7, before that we camped linked up with khador under the willow because they beat us there and it flooded that night while we were still over there, springwars before we had 6 okfest before we had 3 and still camped there.

Like i said i know where we camped its j10 it is directly across from the willow you walk in there is a path directly on the left hand side to go over a to a concealed campsite which has a path to the next one. To the right you have the fire pit 2 openings and you have 2 trees in the middle.

I know we are a Small Realm made up of a younger group and we have only been around for about 4 years but we have been pretty consistant.
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby X of Grayscale » Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:23 pm

looking at the map more to specify because your right the willow is there as well. The campsite is pretty much the 0 in j10 possibly what your calling your tree cove not sure though its just kind of a dome in the woods not in anybodys way
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby Caleidah » Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:41 pm

Well, whichever of you registers ten people first, gets it.
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby Sir Misti » Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:15 am

Since the change in venue, we can't do individual camps like at stone house.
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby bo1 » Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:47 pm

just a heads up so people not on fb have an idea of what is going on.

they are finding a new site for octoberfest. shp lost its permit for the final time and it looks like shp is dead and buried. so keep updated as to the happenings so you dont show up to shp and wonder... so octoberfest is here right?
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby Faenor » Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:53 pm

Should we still pre-reg for fest or hold off for now?
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby Angelus Phoenix » Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:31 pm

For now, I would just suggest waiting. There'll be updates over the course of the next week.
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at SHP

Postby Wolftail » Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:22 pm

Thank you for the updates. Good luck with finding a new site.
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at (TB

Postby Angelus Phoenix » Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:40 am

FYI we found a site. Nothing is set in stone yet, because we want to do a little more shopping first, but we do have a guaranteed space. We'll publicize this information at the end of the weekend.
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at (TB

Postby Horus » Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:26 pm

I am currently looking for more volunteers for security due to the new site change. Please PM me or message me on facebook if you are interested. If you are not already friends with me you should be able to find me under Brandon Horus.
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at (TB

Postby Lady Feri » Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:05 am

Bloody hell! I paid Dekalb for my food permit...95.00 not refundable. you have to pay 30 days in advance. Hope Mclean County lets me pay this late. They are only 5 days and I am waiting to hear from them.
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3rd - 7th at (TB

Postby Tails » Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:39 am

Lady Feri wrote:Bloody hell! I paid Dekalb for my food permit...95.00 not refundable. you have to pay 30 days in advance. Hope Mclean County lets me pay this late. They are only 5 days and I am waiting to hear from them.

I hope they do!
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3-7 (NEW LOCATIO

Postby Kenneth » Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:17 pm

Per Angel:

Everyone, the Event Coordinators have compiled a list of basic site rules, some info on Security, and a list of possible behavioral infractions and how they will be dealt with. These are subject to change and it's likely, as we flesh out more information, that the list will change as we get closer to the event. One item I wish to discuss here is the alcohol policy. Numerous public parks (some of which we have used in the past) all have an "Alcohol is Prohibited" Policy; this site is no different. I'm just going to say,"Don't jeopardize the event for yourself or others by being an idiot." If you have any questions, please let us know.

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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3-7 (NEW LOCATIO

Postby wgoeken » Tue Sep 25, 2012 11:56 am

I intend to bring a group of 4 to 7 people, all but one who will be new.
I look forward to meeting you all and asking you all a million questions that you've heard before!
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3-7 (NEW LOCATIO

Postby Angelus Phoenix » Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:16 pm

Wgoeken, upon arrival you must stop by Troll (Registration). There you will sign a waiver and pay the event fee. Depending upon when you arrive, the fee will be $35 or less. We accept cash only.
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3-7 (NEW LOCATIO

Postby Angelus Phoenix » Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:08 pm

All, the new class schedule should be up by the end of the weekend (late Sunday night/early Monday morning).
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3-7 (NEW LOCATIO

Postby DragoonAntoinette » Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:59 pm

wgoeken wrote:I intend to bring a group of 4 to 7 people, all but one who will be new.
I look forward to meeting you all and asking you all a million questions that you've heard before!


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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3-7 (NEW LOCATIO

Postby jester kaiu » Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:45 am

Is there any way to get a pic up with some MS paint showing where troll will be, camping, fighting field?
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3-7 (NEW LOCATIO

Postby Angelus Phoenix » Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:02 am

Kaiu, it'll be posted by Monday morning.
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Re: Official Octoberfest 2012 Post: October 3-7 (NEW LOCATIO

Postby Sir Misti » Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:22 pm

This is the pre-reg list as of 11am 9/27/12. Keep in mind pre-reg closes 9/30/12.
1 Birch, Mike - Tails
2 Brandes, Rowan - Kolten
3 Croak, Jon - Frozgaar
4 Dusek, Joshua - Argent
5 Dodds, Josh - Maverick
6 Ellerton, Kaitlyn - Doozer
7 Fowlks, Victoria - Cello
8 Girard, Tony - Troll
9 Gross, Aaron - Bowen
10 Gross, Melissa - Pylocke
11 Guenther, Jade - Dalany
12 Hamilton, Derrick - Rhaszel
13 Hamilton, Matthew - Sign Guy
14 Hamilton, Ryan - Ragequit
15 Harmon, Patric - Kiro
16 Holley, Tori - Narin
17 Hoyt, Steven - Slick
18 Jalla, Charles- - Ipman
19 Lanius. Brian - Sir Dameon Orcenfol
20 Livingston, Douglas - Tyrimas Illano
21 Mattson, Ashley - Ashley
22 Mattson, Josh -Derian
23 McCaskey, Ronda - Lady Renell Calmcacil
24 Mckay, Elizabeth - Harmony
25 Mckay, Suzanne - Hematite
26 Mickelsen, Ryan - Ryno
27 Miller, Mark Tony - Tularen
28 Payne, Samira - N/A
29 Shirley, Patrick - D'Art
30 Schlagel, Jacob - Chiron the Bearshirt
31 Taylor, Emily - Shiv
32 Taylor-Tyson, Tiffany - Black Betty
33 Teiber, Greg - Nerobro
34 Theis, Andrew - Ewan
35 Thomas, Andrew - Telanar Hrafin
36 Tinnin-Timm, Ashley - Feora
37 Tinnin-Timm, William - Wilhelm
38 Toppin, Bonnie - Lyalka
39 Toppin , Ryan - Rowan
40 Wingert, Jacob - Brooder
41 Waugh, Andrea - Dreidel
42 Zimmerman, Nathan - Poo
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