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Guts The Heavy Blade wrote:woah there v-hill, couple things wrong there,Your logic in units policing there unit is so flawed i cant even choose where to begin. most of us at these events are adults, and yes i consider 16 an adult, as if your old enough to drive, your old enough to know right and wrong. But we are not responsible for our respective units, nor our respective units are responsible for us. We dont kick out the whole unit for one person doing a bad thing, so why punish the whole unit. think bout the logic in that. how would you like if someone running an event came to you and said so and so broke a rule and because of thqat all of urak cant fight today. you'd be **** * and throwin a **** fit i bet wondering why your responsible for someone elses actions. unit comanders and such aren't baby sitters and this isnt the military.
Guts The Heavy Blade wrote:secondly i got flour'd and my first response was of anger, but you know what, its flour, it brush's off and it was funny, so relax with some stuff like that as its not damaging anything, and thats the kind of shenanigans that can be laughed at and have in a good time, no reason for threats or violence over something simple like that
Kazi wrote:We didn't exactly volunteer for the job.
I just thought I would mention that the thing people are most upset about, shennanigans, is not something that has to do with Arm V specifically. As everyone here has said, its been going on forever. Discourage it, ban people, whatever, but don't act like NB hosted the first event ever where people got harrassed and their stuff stolen.
Izareth wrote:Ora, I think you'll find that I, at least, am trying to address this problem without the use of Zero Tolerance. Because of the error factor in determining the culprit when no one was around.
Theft of sunglasses and live steel have nothing to do with the 'prank' or 'shennanigan' discussion.
I think that determining who might be willing to play the banner game, and ensuring those who do not are taken seriously when they exclude themselves, is a good way to keep tempers down and take these complaints seriously.
Physical assault, dumping tents, and stealing are not included in my proposal, and should be addressed as seriously as deemed necessary by event coordinators.
savetuba wrote:What is stopping "jokers" from forming a group and kidnapping some one and holding them for ransom? "we want booze and if you want your friend back give us booze." or some **** like that?
Ora wrote:Kazi wrote:We didn't exactly volunteer for the job.
If you didn't volunteer, how'd you end up doing it? That's something that's discussed at WC and that's when people (realms) volunteer. If your realm WC representative decided on something big like that without consulting your realm, I'd suggest you take it up with him/her. That's a decision that should involve the input before making the commitment.
Kyrian wrote:Thanks to the rain gods (that includes you, Gorlock)
The things you are talking about are not remotely acceptable.
Mek Gorlock wrote:Our WC rep. said that we couldn't run this event when it was first brought up. He said multiple times that "we are just a bunch of highschool kids". At that time TA was also saying that they would love to run the event and would have no problem doing so. We continued to say that we couldn't run it and continued to be ignored. We were given Wild Wood to help us run it and we still said no but no one listened. So it wasn't some decision on the part of our WC rep that none of the rest of us had input on because he was saying what the realm wanted him to say and no one listened to us they only listened to the now graduated and moved on members of the other Iowa realm.
savetuba wrote:so I'm paireniod, but I do see the chance of all of these things happening. True we can not stop someone from entering and doing harm, but our own responce is what I'm thinking about. With such a close knit group any large atrosity will anger a lot of people and in the law-less-ness of events lynch mobs can and probally will form.
You seem to think it won't happen but it did at arm 4.The things you are talking about are not remotely acceptable.
Yet we are talking about assaulting people, damaging property, and theft. All which have happened and were obviously acceptable to not have anything done about any of it untill weeks after it happened.
If there is going to be a crack down on law-less-ness then I think all possible senarios be looked at and how the group, and how events, should handle each.
savetuba wrote:so I'm paireniod, but I do see the chance of all of these things happening. True we can not stop someone from entering and doing harm, but our own responce is what I'm thinking about. With such a close knit group any large atrosity will anger a lot of people and in the law-less-ness of events lynch mobs can and probally will form.
You seem to think it won't happen but it did at arm 4.The things you are talking about are not remotely acceptable.
Yet we are talking about assaulting people, damaging property, and theft. All which have happened and were obviously acceptable to not have anything done about any of it untill weeks after it happened.
If there is going to be a crack down on law-less-ness then I think all possible senarios be looked at and how the group, and how events, should handle each.
Derian wrote:I am, and have been NB's WC rep for a long time.
This is how the WC at Geddon 3 went:
Galin: I nominate Eriador to run Geddon 5.
Derian: I really don't think we're capable of running this event; the majority of NB is still in high school/early college, and Tir Asleen is entirely a school-year realm. I'm not even sure if they have practice in the summer.
Someone else: I second Eriador for Geddon 5.
Derian: Add in the fact that we'll be running this event from 6 hours away.
Someone from Numenor: Oh, it'll be ok, Numenor will help. (And they did.)
President: All in favor? *Unanimous vote save for NB/TA*
Derian: *sigh*
Kazi wrote:Lots of stuff.
Xooyan wrote:There were lynch mobs at Arm 4? Really? Look, I'm not trying to discredit you here, but who was lynched and by whom were they lynched?
Definatly a mob
Cedric wrote:your lynch mob sounds very much like a mob of city guards that were around on monday or tuesday night trying to find assasins in the assasin game.
Vandalize: To destroy or deface (public or private property) willfully or maliciously.
Assault: *A violent physical or verbal attack.
*An unlawful threat or attempt to do bodily injury to another.
*The act or an instance of unlawfully threatening or attempting to injure another.
Battery: The unlawful and unwanted touching or striking of one person by another, with the intention of bringing about a harmful or offensive contact.
Self-defense: The right to protect oneself against violence or threatened violence with whatever force or means are reasonably necessary.
Thorondor wrote:Yep, I'd end up arrested as well as the person who assulted me. Then I'd be out on bail, found innocent due to either self defense or by mental disease and defect. Add ontop of that I'm protected by the Americans with Disabilities Act due to my medical issues and it'd be a bad day for everyone involved.
Derian wrote:I am, and have been NB's WC rep for a long time.
This is how the WC at Geddon 3 went:
Galin: I nominate Eriador to run Geddon 5.
Derian: I really don't think we're capable of running this event; the majority of NB is still in high school/early college, and Tir Asleen is entirely a school-year realm. I'm not even sure if they have practice in the summer.
Someone else: I second Eriador for Geddon 5.
Derian: Add in the fact that we'll be running this event from 6 hours away.
Someone from Numenor: Oh, it'll be ok, Numenor will help. (And they did.)
President: All in favor? *Unanimous vote save for NB/TA*
Derian: *sigh*
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