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Cyric wrote:There is no conspiracy, save in your own mind. No one is trying to turn the game into HACS. Hell, HACS doesn't even exist anymore. All of the rule changes that have come about have been voted on democratically by all realms, just as it has always been. Most of these rules have failed, and the status quo has been maintained. The people playing the game are changing, and so the game itself is bound to change as well. Rather than cling to tradition and * and moan about every new idea coming down the pipe, you should cast your vote like everyone else. But claiming that there is some kind of conspiracy is just ridiculous.
There are no staffs in Belegarth. Because of how they are constructed, they are really Pugil Sticks.
Rasheab wrote:What rule changes are you speaking of, Satanaka? (And are you writing in all bold?)
Big Jimmy wrote:...HACS (Historically Accurate Combat System) had some key rules differences, but was largely similar to Belegarth. It had a much more stick jock mentality, based around competition with cash prizes.
I don't remember the rules 100%, but I believe that stabs and hacks did the same damage, and I know that when you got hit in the leg you didn't go down to a knee, you dragged that leg.
There were also 5 levels of combat, based on... sort of how safe it was. At level 5 there were legal headshots (with helmets.)
Big Jimmy wrote:Also, things have to be put in perspective. Soo Ma Tai and Forkbeard are both Western fighters who visit western events. They are not saying that eastern stabbing tip checking should be toned down. So really, if you've never been to a western event, you don't really have a perspective on what they're trying to accomplish. It does, though, sound like western stab tip tech is behind the east's. Or, that their checking has become much more strict than ours. Most of the complaints about stab tip checking I hear about are from the west, not the east.
Black Cat wrote:Requiring open-cell foam for a stab-tip to be legal? What the hell is that? Do you know how unsafe a single-boxed weapon with an open-cell stabby is? The tip isn't strong enough to support the extra weight and leverage of the open-cell, so the closed-cell foam around the tip weakens and the stab-tip structurally fails, if not entirely rips off. This almost invariably exposes core, which is highly unsafe by any reasonable standard. I have witnessed this on my own swords several times and I've heard of it happening to plenty of other foamsmiths as well. It's not hard to make these pillow-soft tips fail. All you have to do is whack stuff for a while, and they'll be right on their way to failure before you know it.
Using all closed-cell foam for single-boxed blue/green or (short) red/green weapons is what needs to be done to make them safe. As long as the tip is solid, no core can be felt through the foam, and it doesn't hit harder than a solid blue strike is allowed to hit, they should pass.
Elebrim wrote:Black Cat wrote:Requiring open-cell foam for a stab-tip to be legal? What the hell is that? Do you know how unsafe a single-boxed weapon with an open-cell stabby is? The tip isn't strong enough to support the extra weight and leverage of the open-cell, so the closed-cell foam around the tip weakens and the stab-tip structurally fails, if not entirely rips off. This almost invariably exposes core, which is highly unsafe by any reasonable standard. I have witnessed this on my own swords several times and I've heard of it happening to plenty of other foamsmiths as well. It's not hard to make these pillow-soft tips fail. All you have to do is whack stuff for a while, and they'll be right on their way to failure before you know it.
Using all closed-cell foam for single-boxed blue/green or (short) red/green weapons is what needs to be done to make them safe. As long as the tip is solid, no core can be felt through the foam, and it doesn't hit harder than a solid blue strike is allowed to hit, they should pass.
I see what you're saying about the single-boxed stabbies. We failed more than a few swords at Beltaine that were built in that way (box, open cell, outer sword layer wrapped over the top of the whole shebang) for not being structurally able to handle the stab.
However, I don't agree that all closed-cell will do the job either. Sometimes it can be safe, as it has been suggested here, but universally I think it would be a recipe for pain (especially with red weapons). There are methods of building that integrate the softer marine or open-cell into a stable design; tech advances can and should make our weapons both safer and more durable. The two extremes - Pillow-soft or football-on-a-stick style tips vs. all closed-cell tips - aren't the only way.
I would link to examples, but I am tired and cannot see quite straight.
Soo Ma Tai wrote:I can tell you that FB has no intention of trying to make Belegarth into HACS. I know him personally and prolly better than nearly any other belegarth player. FB, like myself, feel that on certain issues, like stabbing tips, that somehow, over time, people have become pussified about them. A stab tip does not need to be a cushy pillow to be safe is all he is saying. That we should relax ~a bit~ in stab tip requirements is what both he and I are advocating, not that this should be HACS.
Big Jimmy wrote:Also, things have to be put in perspective. Soo Ma Tai and Forkbeard are both Western fighters who visit western events. They are not saying that eastern stabbing tip checking should be toned down. So really, if you've never been to a western event, you don't really have a perspective on what they're trying to accomplish. It does, though, sound like western stab tip tech is behind the east's. Or, that their checking has become much more strict than ours. Most of the complaints about stab tip checking I hear about are from the west, not the east.
Big Jimmy wrote:Also, things have to be put in perspective. Soo Ma Tai and Forkbeard are both Western fighters who visit western events. They are not saying that eastern stabbing tip checking should be toned down. So really, if you've never been to a western event, you don't really have a perspective on what they're trying to accomplish. It does, though, sound like western stab tip tech is behind the east's. Or, that their checking has become much more strict than ours. Most of the complaints about stab tip checking I hear about are from the west, not the east.
Angmarth wrote:This is quite possibly the most useless poll I have ever seen. I will not even grace it with a vote.
Look, just because FB or myself want a game to be physical, doesn't mean that we are some sort of elitist group that is weeding out members we deem unworthy. What I can tell you is that I will take someone that wants to play a physical game, and I will prepare them for the worst. I will show them how to avoid getting creamed. I will teach them how to fall. They will know what getting hit hard feels like, and will not be surprised by it. They will learn what to do if they get grabbed. You won't come out of Arnor being the end all be all most awesome fighter ever, but you will come out of Arnor knowing what the WORST part of the physical game can be and how to avoid being injured by it.
Reread the statements above. Especially Jimmy’s hell even Blackcat makes fairly good points. This is where my experience comes from is out west, and the ability to pass stabby 1-3 yrs ago was neigh impossible.
Additionally you seem to have a lot of free time on your hands. If you have a personal problem with me feel free to reach out via pm for clarification. If you merely wish to continue the debate via PM. I don’t have the time, energy or desire to joust with you in this medium. It is my opinion that you flat out refuse to consider our situation and our points.
Forkbeard wrote:It's nice when people listen to reason. Thank you for being more open minded than I thought, Sir.
What my post about weapon checking meant was, if we don't like how they do it, let's get involved and change things. That's our responsbility as pat of this comunity. Of course we don't want to pass unsafe weapons. My wife fights, man. We to want change the process of inspection of stab tips at the events we go to to reflect the changes you guys have made over the last few years. We are behind the times out here and so are several other outying areas.
As for Armor. I thnk that Angmarth and his freinds are the best example of what a Bel realm should be. They fight hard, fight fair and seem to always have good garb. WHat else is there. I've tried to run mine in many of the same ways for years. Natoinal events are rough. We fight the same way and follow the same rules in our park that are follwed at Chaos War. I have always felt that if I promote nationl events to the people in my group, it's my JOB to make sure they know what they are getting into.
I'd say my group would come in at a 8 or so on your scale.
FB
I'd like to see a field of 1000 warriors... (all in good garb- fighting hard- taking hits) and at the end of the day- no injuries (or at least- just scrapes & bruises). I want to feel the hit- BUT not break my nose or knock a tooth out. I want to feel safe that my wife can fight and not worry about some bully-idiot- trying to hurt her due to his ego problems. I want to see deaths played to the point that people around you call "Hold" cause they think your hurt....
Forkbeard wrote:... that we are all a bunch of * who want to seize control of weapon check so we can bring unsafe wapons onto the feild to break your nose and hurt your wife while we throw racial slurs at everyone.
Hooray for comunication.
FB
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