Poor Construction Archery Mishaps

[Sir Anastasia]

Hey all,

I recently posted on a forum that I thought "someone would be killed if they used arrows (with foam of course) that were not penny blunted"(or similarly blunted) behind the foam. I kindly posted the edhellen tutorial and gave my contact info so they could get in touch with me if they had any questions. So 1) do you think my lethal phrasing was too strong? 2) What interesting archery mishaps have you heard of when arrow construction is not up to par?

Thanks,
AoC

[Satanaka]

no- your to soft- show all the dead bodies we have had to bury in the woods due to mishaps.

Or maybe the old pic of an arrow with no Penny that actually got fired on the field and stuck into someone's shield.

very scarry...

[Nibenon]

well its not nessicarily a constrution misshap but to'gur almost got a nock in the eye when a fired arrow was accidentally hit in mid flight and fliped over to fly nock first, it stuck in to his shield about an inch from his eye.
and ive heard storys of Sir Shub getting his eye cut open and gushing blood from a passing arrows fletching. ouch....

[Plithut]

VERY early in my career I didn't understand the wrapping of the shaft to the size of the penny, I just put a penny on the end... Well.. needless to say, through use the penny moved. I shot a friend in the face, and the shaft got stuck about half an inch below his eye socket. He was very lucky, and I got to learn the hard way.

Archery, by far, is the most dangerous aspect of the sport. Anytime I see what I consider to be poorly made arrows I try to talk to the owner about their construction.

[Ferrin]

Ya i remeber at an arm or okfest a few years back some new fighter brought out arrows in which he hadnt penny blunted nor did he cut off the feild tips on them, needless to say thank god those didnt get tested on someones back

[Satanaka]

I hope we have their body burried somewhere.
hehehehehe

Ya i remeber at an arm or okfest a few years back some new fighter brought out arrows in which he hadnt penny blunted nor did he cut off the feild tips on them, needless to say thank god those didnt get tested on someones back

[Judas]

I heard an old legend that Lord Onyx had an arrow stuck in his arm once. Could have been a campfire tale but that’s what I heard.

[Titan G]

i don't know about his arm but i know at rag one year a guy had constructed arrows with field tips and no arrow cover and he deflected one of his shield and it stuck in his armor in the chest. if not for the armor he'd of taken it in the chest.

[Judas]

That sounds about right.

[Skydd]

Plithut is correct. Archery is, without question, the most dangerous thing we do in this game. One mistake during construction, a bad deflection off of a shield, or pure bad luck, and someone is permanently injured. I ask every single person who wants to become an archer if they are willing to accept that risk/responsibility.

Now, on to stories:

Had a guy bring me an arrow once. I say that because he is never allowed to make them again. He brought me and unwrapped wooden shaft, a double-box of blue foam head, no open cell foam, no penny, tip still attatched, held together by packing tape. He then produced a 2# toy bow. He told me he'd been shooting his brother all day with it.

The other story I've got is a guy named Xynix had an arrow push past the penny and out through the head. We think the duct tape got dried out and just let go of the shaft, it pushed the penny aside and came out. Killed all of the momentum of the shaft, otherwise it would have taken someone right between the shoulder blades.

[Sir Anastasia]

Thanks guys. I no longer feel guilty telling them someone would end up dead if they used their non-blunt construction. The ironic thing is that they pad the whole shaft of the arrow to "make it safe."

[Rasheab]

The ironic thing is that they pad the whole shaft of the arrow to "make it safe."

Several independent groups in Washington pad the entire length of their bows. Not real sure why. (I think one of them allows their bows to be used offensively as boffers; not sure why the other group pads their bows. Maybe to make them "safe.")

[Arrakis]

I wouldn't a bit mind seeing the tips of bows padded. They're pointy. I've been stabbed in the thigh with one while trying to run down an archer that clearly decided he didn't want to get caught. Left a real pertty bruise.

[linkicecold3000]

i have a friend who has some arrows (they are penny blunted) and made only out of open cell is that just asking for it?

[Peregrine]

I do not think, an all open cell arrow head is a good idea. just to make sure that you understand our rules, "penny blunted" means that a penny is secured to the arrow shaft instead of an arrow head. I just want to make sure you are not thinking "penny round"

if your new to arrow construction pleas use these
http://tiny.cc/GVYOn

[bo1]

it could be ok, but i suspect it will fail a bit faster as that penny is pushing against some pretty undurable foam.

[linkicecold3000]

just to make sure that you understand our rules, "penny blunted" means that a penny is secured to the arrow shaft instead of an arrow head.

i know what that means everyone who is not a total noob knows that

[Sir Anastasia]

That's what I thought too...and then they shot each other with haft-padded arrows without penny blunts. I haven't heard from them since and can only assume the entire group is dead.

[Peregrine]

That's what I thought too...and then they shot each other with haft-padded arrows without penny blunts. I haven't heard from them since and can only assume the entire group is dead.

Oh well you have to clean the gene pool sometimes.

[dylangettier]

lincoln your a total noob too

[dylangettier]

no offense

[linkicecold3000]

lincoln your a total noob too

i'm not a total noob i know some things about belegarth not everything but i do know some things.

Back on topic Archery Mishaps!

[Rasheab]

[Caleidah]

QFT

[calebmonkey]

ask any of the edhellen guys about Keggs latex arrow heads
no they arent legal

[Matthias of DunAbhon]

I heard that it used to be at Rag that every archer had to have one arrow cut open to make sure they were made safely.

[Nibenon]

what a waste....

[varadin]

I heard that it used to be at Rag that every archer had to have one arrow cut open to make sure they were made safely.

no, if the checker questions the build on it they have before been allowed to cut open 1 of a batch of arrows to make sure they are penny tipped.

[Cib]

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[Sir Anastasia]

Thank you for that cartoon. Awesome.

[Erutious Dracuni]

Oh dang, I wonder if I could just use this as a forum sig. Thats gotta be one of my most usedsayings

[No'Vak]

Too big.

Try not to necro threads unless you have something important to add.

[Cib]

I just got a side of leather for $100 on sail. Usual prices:

Item #9047-02
Club Price:CAN $154.80
Your Price:CAN $179.99

It takes hours to complete a simple peace of armor. You are asking people take the risk with the money, and then pay themselves sweat shop wages, so you can have cheep armor.


Or was that a joke, cuzz I could see that to. But with the lack of inflection text gives, its hard to tell.

[Oisin]

i have a friend who has some arrows (they are penny blunted) and made only out of open cell is that just asking for it?

Something important to add to this since neither Arrakis nor Oznog got to it:

This is NOT safe, and will NOT produce a soft or light-hitting arrow. A wide, hard, solid core behind the open cell foam is incredibly important to arrow safety because it spreads the force of impact over a wider area. Just open cell foam will collapse too quickly and the impact of the penny-blunted shaft will impact on a much smaller area.

It's very important for arrows to have a stable, solid, base made out of the hardest, densest closed cell foam you can find, and then put a layer of relatively nice closed cell foam over that, then your open cell.

The open cell itself shouldn't be too hard or too soft--it's not supposed to be a pillow, it's supposed to collapse at a good rate to absorb and dissipate the force of impact. Too hard and it doesn't absorb enough impact, too soft and it collapses and doesn't absorb enough impact and lets what ever is underneath it hit you harder.

Oznog can explain the physics much more eloquently, but it's all very well established physics.