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Big Jimmy wrote:Bo, in regards to Galya's post on day trippers and people that can't be there that long, and your response on free loaders, I really feel wolfpack has the best system. Pay full price up front, check out at troll when you leave and receive a partial refund.
Big Jimmy wrote:They will also act as a buffer between people actually checking and people who have concerns and are dropping off gear. Obviously, these people will be very customer service oriented. I came up with the idea, naturally I volunteered to do it. I know someone else did too, but I can't remember who.
Tor wrote:Belegarth is a who gives a ****, because Shut Up.
bo1 wrote:you have been warned i am trying to run the greatest event ever. i will stop at nothing to make sure every single person has the best experiance they have had at any event.
dont miss it, everyone will be treating the customers with the respect and kindness they all deserve.
Satanaka wrote:$40 !?!?!?
Really?????
Did we go back to being a week long and free beer all the time???
Forkbeard wrote:So, you can't decide if that is Galya or Par? I have to admit, I mistake Par for an old woman regularly. But Galya is a beautiful and intelligent lady. I'd never mistake her for him.
Bevin wrote:I noticed this when we were planning Spring Wars...
Belegarth seems to be trapped in this bubble mind set where food costs, site costs, just about everything costs, are rising, and they don't seem to realize that event costs can't stay the same as 5 years ago.
Bevin wrote:Belegarth seems to be trapped in this bubble mind set where food costs, site costs, just about everything costs, are rising, and they don't seem to realize that event costs can't stay the same as 5 years ago.
Satanaka wrote:Then- I see * hats- wanting to buy insurance to cover their ass- when they are the people turning a blind eye to under age drinking as well as drugs at events- even supporting or partaking in illigal drugs....
Satanaka wrote:Maybe we need a good old audit.
Belegarth Bylaws wrote:7.1.2. Removal of Officers
7.1.2.1. If the War Council feels that a person is not doing the job according to the criteria set by the War
Council, said person might be removed from office by means of a Vote of No Confidence motioned and
seconded by members of the War Council.
7.1.2.2. The vote will carry by a simple majority of the WC quorum voting yes to the removal of the person.
Satanaka wrote:I don't see how someone's pocket is NOT growing.
bo1 wrote:i am thinking of feasts, brisket, injected, rubbed and slow cooked for 10 hours over an applewood smoke fire. i have the applewood already drying out in my dads shed. with some garlic mashed potatoes, veggie, garlic bread, root beer, and cheese with pies for desert. no not those pies pervert.
Satanaka wrote:uh- I thought the whole grand idea of Kegg world was that we got better price & better rates- so are you mistaken or is Kegg a liar?
So- in 5 years - you justify event prices going up 200%???????? What???Bevin wrote:Belegarth seems to be trapped in this bubble mind set where food costs, site costs, just about everything costs, are rising, and they don't seem to realize that event costs can't stay the same as 5 years ago.
"]Satanaka siad: "Then- I see * hats- wanting to buy insurance to cover their ass- when they are the people turning a blind eye to under age drinking as well as drugs at events- even supporting or partaking in illigal drugs..."
Derian said: "Comments like this make it clear that you clearly have absolutely no grasp on the reality of the situation."
Derian said: "The problem is, you, Satanaka, seem to be the only person who is vocal against the ____________.
Bevin Said: "Now, I understand that attempting to actually have a logical argument with you on this is akin to banging my head against a brick wall in the hopes it would move, but..."
Bevin Said: "WP actually had to sit down with our old numbers and yadda. yadda, yadda..."
Bevin said: "And giving the two choices as either I'm an idiot or Kegg's a liar is a logical fallacy.
Bevin said:" ...but right now the cost is either the same or higher than other sites. He is very flexible with Belegarth groups money-wise, and that's something we won't get other place.
Bo said: "...with that the geddon budget. i plan for 275 people. 25 more than we got last year, just to be safe.
event site cost. 3000$ fixed no matter how many come.
feasts, fri and sat feasts. total 10$ per person. 4 for fri and 6 for sat. we ham it up for sat feast.
troll. 225, covers paper, event tokens, pass labels, failed labels, markers and such. the 225 number is to make the math easy, but usually around 200
sin night, 500. this year i am thinking about doing slave auctions/ gladiator pits. would be a fun evening. first tha ladies do the work for the beads, then use them to buy slaves.
so totaled up that leaves us with 6500 dolars. i like to figure a slush/ unexpected changes in there of 1000. so 7500 / 275= drum roll please. 27.27, so lets set the price at 40$, and prereg at 30$. yes the preregers get a deal, but really it gets us the money early so why not? and the price goes down throughout the event. so people coming after feast friday, only pay 20$
Satanaka wrote:WHAT? Derian- your either blind or stupid NOT to know this happens and event coordinators know it is going on. When the running rule is "don't let me catch you doing _____". Is this a strong stance to stopping the illegal activities????
NOW I will admit that I may be a little harsh in my words- i don't mean to sound rough- heck- we have plenty of people here that are much rougher BUT I dare say you'd call THEM on it.
Satanaka wrote:Derian- do you know how many people over the years have went to the hospital for drinking to much- that were under age? How many were sick that did not go to the hospital? do you know how many times the police SHOULD have been involved- BUT- were kept out of it? Are we going to continue to do these things untill someone actually dies? is that what it will take to wake some people up?
Satanaka wrote:Actually Derian- to correct you or inform you- I am not against anyone- I don't currently know who the "leader" is- I know the actual leader. I also don't care. As far as being the only one vocal- thank you.
In reality- I know a % of the people that feel the same way. There are only a handful of people in our whole GAME that will voice their actual opinion or question anything or go against the current about all the "leadership" BS- they just want to play the GAME and have fun.
Satanaka wrote:Yeah- Derian- was part of the small group that wrote the original Bylaws many years ago. I am old- but I still remember- BUT thanks.
Satanaka wrote:As far as money- Derien- It's simple- "X" says we have all types of extra money in Belegarth account... "Y" says we have to double the price of the event to cover cost... "Z" says we have the best deal on the park- saving lots of money VS the amounts we have had to pay in the past.... NOW Derien- son- do the math- what does that say to you?
Bo wrote:i like to figure a slush/ unexpected changes in there of 1000. so 7500 / 275= drum roll please. 27.27
Satanaka wrote:I just think that Armageddon has lost so much support- why? Heck- not the fighting- that is always awesome. Due to rag- well yeah- some. Also- in the summer where more people are gone. So- I just think that the cost should be the least we can make it. NOT raise the price every year.
Big Jimmy wrote:Satanaka, I think you're missing something that Bo is trying to do specifically this year with the event being $40. It's sort of the reason it's $40 and I didn't see anyone mention it yet.
Right now, the Belegarth treasury doesn't have enough money in it to actually RUN a 'Geddon. Every year it either has something that doesn't get paid till the money starts to roll in OR it doesn't pay something (like Kegg) till after the event.
Bo's goal is that after this year, Belegarth will have enough money for 'Geddon to support itself up front every year from now on. That's a big reason for the $5 jump.
bo1 wrote:there is so much here to talk about i am unsure where to start. i will start with a clean breathe, a little yoga and............ ah there now i am calm.
so yes, 40 is a lot, about 20 less than camping at a local competitor, but hey we strive for excellence right?
yes i am trying to build the treasury, i stated it to WC and now i am actually doing it. and for the record, to avoid muddying up the waters, the price goes down throughout the event. usually 5$ a day. also i am well within reasonable limits for those that prereg, so i guess i am encouraging prereg, also something i said i would do and am doing it. i post every year about where the treasury is, and how it grows and what the money is spent on.
it is important to note that the reasons for increasing the treasury size is to be able to fund geddon for a full year without needing any additional funds. i want to have 10,000.00 in the account, other realms have this much in the coffers, there is no reason the sport as a whole shouldn't have the same.
belegarth is supported by its members, its members send people to war council, Wc can tell me to do anything, and i will/have done it. I posted in WC forum and heard nothing back. actually not true, sorry, gayla had questions, i responded and that was the last i heard about it until you had questions. So if WC, essentially my supervisor, or the president( also my supervisor) had a problem i am sure they would have spoken/typed to me about it.
and your questions, well they are worded in a very accusatory manner, i would say it is an accident, but your pattern of behavior precedes you.
so feel free to level any accusation you wish, i will field any question you have.
and as for your worry about underagers, i can totally understand why they have your attention. we take steps at the event to keep people not 21 out of sin night, and not drinking at the event. last year i had to not give the prizes for sin night as the winners were not of age, i instead gave them to older members of our sport. while i can say that underage drinking does occur at events, i am willing to revisit the action plan with WC, and make revisions at their wishes.
i try to run the very best event i can, i work very hard at making geddon the signature event of the year. i stand by my record, as event coordinator and as treasurer.
your serve sir.
Ralimar wrote:SERIOUSLY. If the event is overpriced, don't go. Other like-minded people also will not go.
I feel that if Belegarth events want to be economically sound, we have a responsibility to be good consumers. In places like Illinois, where there are several events every year, events should have to compete for attendance. And reasonably, the turnout should speak louder than arguments on the internet.
Satanaka wrote:I like that we check ID's and I even think the wrist band idea was good (although I dislike wearing one)
Does that make better sense?
Sir Misti wrote:7)Jay I ::heart:: you! His answer is the best again! I will copy and paste it again just so everyone can read it and hopefully live by it.
Satanaka wrote:
1) I don't believe Belegarth should supply alcohol at an event (at no Belegarth event)
Sir Misti wrote:7)Jay I ::heart:: you! His answer is the best again! I will copy and paste it again just so everyone can read it and hopefully live by it.
Bodmin wrote:Satanaka I don't wanna hear about your observation and theories and ****, your just * lien and getting me *.
Satanaka wrote:Are you not thankful to be in a country and forum where you can have such freedoms?
I'd be glad to help you with your "issue" when next we meet.
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