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Azgarehta wrote:Heralding is two things:
1. Know your ****.
2. Yell like you got a pair.
Brutus wrote:Certification will take what it takes. I'd rather have a certification that was well-respected and takes 5 years to achieve, rather than a meaningless one that had no barriers to entry and was achievable by anyone in 2 years.
How does everyone feel about a tiered system? There would be junior, senior, and mastery levels.
Brutus wrote:Reverend, would you mind sending me what you've got for Ered Duath? I don't think we should reinvent the wheel if we don't have to.
Azgarehta wrote:We shouldn't try to certify a wheel that already works.
Squiring to a knight is a mentoring experience, Petitioning a Unit is a mentoring experience, growing as a fighter is a mentoring experience. I don't see why we need to make Heralding a standardized testing experience.
Brutus wrote:Marshals are in the unique position that they can (and often do) ruin many people's events through poor decisions, inadequate training, and failing to take the job seriously.
If a herald ruins your event by making a bad call your taking this game WAY too seriously.
And nobody can just walk on the field and the head herald cant do anything. The head herald can force you not to herald, ban you from fighting, ban your whole unit from fighting, kick you out of the event and eat your babies. If you wanna certify anybody. Certify head heralds. They are the ones that can ruin peoples events
Brutus wrote:Here's a scenario that is true:
At Wolfpack Opener last year I was gimped and had 4-5 people left on my team, mostly new people. The only person left was an archer that had lost an arm and dropped all his gear. One of our guys ran up to him and to my dismay I saw that he was also armed, with only a shield.
As they were right up against the boundary I yelled "just push him off the edge." Someone came up and said "Don't do that." I look over to see who it is, and apparently it is a dead fighter. "Ignore him, just push him off the edge and the battle's over."
"Don't do that! You can't do that!" yells the dead fighter. I look again, see that there are no hazards within 50 feet of the edge of the world (this was near one of the curves of the track, so there was a lot of room).
"Just push him off the edge of the world so we can fight again!"
"I'm the head herald! GET OFF MY FIELD!" yells the dead fighter, flipping his unit tabard up to reveal a herald's tabard on the back side. I get up immediately and leave the field, yelling "what great respect you show your station, Mr. head herald!"
He replies I'm banned from the event and kicks me out of Wolfpack Opener.
Brutus wrote:WPO is one of the biggest events of the year, and yet the HEAD MARSHALL made about a half dozen mistakes in the span of 10 seconds. All of these are mistakes that I would expect the lowest level of certified marshall would know not to make.
-Azgarehta-
New people to the game don't just pick up a yellow tabard and take the field. Most people that are Heralds are either from the realm running the event, or veterans that have been in the sport a few years. It has been self policed by realms and Head Heralds for years, why change now? If an event is having trouble having enough heralds, the realm in charge needs to look at what they are doing to encourage volunteerism. If the Head Herald isn't signing off on each Herald on the field, then you have an organizational problem. Certification isn't going to solve either of these, and it just mucks the game up with more paperwork. Keep it Simple.
-Azgarehta-
I don't see why we need to make Heralding a standardized testing experience.
Now, how to implement this? I would suggest whoever's baby this is to submit a proposal to the WC after some more rehashing and have them finalize their opinion on a good draft (Like the House sending bills to the Senate). Allow them to then take opinions and make invitations to whomever they feel would be acceptable as the first college of heralds.
it is a major benefit for me to keep my poor, abused volunteers as happy as possible. I would never want to make someone feel like I didn't want their help,
demox wrote:And its not hard to spot a vet fighter over some chode
brutus wrote:On the flip side, if I do something illegal or unsafe I don't want some marshal that knows me from the old days saying "that's Brutus, let it slide."
Plithut wrote: I want to play the devils advocate.
Technically, WPO is not a Belegarth event, we only have two of those (Armageddon & Chaos Wars). WPO might be run on Belegarth Rules, fought by Belegrim, and associated with, but they have no reason to follow the B.O.W. other than they can. If we are going to standardize (which I am all for) then we have to realize that it can only be applied at Chaos and Arm.
demox wrote: But think about simplicity. Youve run events, you know the effort that has to be put into to run an event. You really wanna add the extra paperwork of making sure all your marshals are certified? If you wanna certify head heralds im down for that. The HH usually picks who he has marshaling anyway. But to certify EVERY marshal is too much paperwork for event runners and realm leaders to actually be worth it
SMT wrote:I don't see how your "fighting style" is frowned upon these days. Fighting is fighting, the rules havn't really changed since before the split when I started fighting. I really don't see anything as being different now, other than we actually fight harder and faster than we did in 1995? What exactly in your fighting style is frowned upon?
"On the flip side, if I do something illegal or unsafe I don't want some marshal that knows me from the old days saying "that's Brutus, let it slide."
Lachlan_McClung wrote:I firmly believe that no one should be allowed to check their own weapons. We don't even allow that at our practices.
Mefit the Geek wrote:You'll get what I give you and like it!
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