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Wrist Roller!?
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Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:26 am
by Tonaho
Okay, I've finally started working with a sword rather than just my semi-famous "cheater spear". (I heard things at Samhain) Even with just the spear I was getting some bothersome pains in my wrist, though within an hour after fighting it fades away. Now that I've picked up my first blue again and started swinging it, my wrists are even more quickly bothered and for a longer time.
I've finally started getting a wrist roller together, but after a few rolls it always slips back around and falls down. Feels good to actually get some exercise to the arms, but is that just from a lack of grip? I don't lose the handle, just the rope/weight all falls back down. How can I properly make and use a wrist roller?
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:19 am
by The Bruce
Drill a hole through the center of it, run your rope through it, and tie it off. No more slippage.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:59 am
by varadin
if your wrists hurt you are doing something wrong. Them being sore afterwards is muscle building normally. Them hurting during use is you doing it wrong.
Im guessing you are using your wrist to much in your swing. Remember the power of your shots come from your legs, back and shoulders. Your arm is where your aim comes from. If they hurt from wrap shots you are really doing something wrong
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:40 pm
by Tonaho
The rope isn't slipping entirely off. I'm just not sure if I'm doing it right. will the rope end up wrapped around one end of the handle, or more like around my hand? For some reason how it works hasn't clicked quite right in my head yet.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:16 pm
by The Bruce
Uh, your roller handle should be long enough that the rope winds up into a coil in the center, between your hands. If it starts to creep too close to one of your hands, tip it the other way so it winds on top of itself back to the center. Like this guy:
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:59 pm
by Tonaho
Aha. So it's both hands at the same time on one roller. Now I feel very silly.
Well, now it makes sense and I'll be working with one finally. Thanks guys.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:54 pm
by The Bruce
I don't want to know. I don't.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:20 am
by Tonaho
I kind of thought the handle was to be held in one hand, pointed at the ground, as you tried to sort of "swirl" it around the rope, till the rope was all coiled up on the handle.
See how badly my mind interprets exercise when it's not actually SHOWN to me? I'm surprised I get the concept of a pull-up. I shy away from most actual exercise equipment because I'm pretty sure that I'll just end up stuck tangled in the machine for a couple hours till someone comes along to free me.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:12 am
by Arrakis
Tonaho, thank you for the laugh. I needed that.
Good luck with your new and improved wrist rollers.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:26 am
by Slagar
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product. ... d=10270003Hey look, cheap and at Wal-Mart. How about that.
I can't make anything. It depresses the hell out of me. On the upside, finding cheap and durable commercial options makes for an interesting scavenger hunt.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:21 pm
by Tonaho
No problem Arrakis. I process things weird, and it leads to interesting turnouts.
Yeah, that piece is pretty cheap, but in relation to my wallet... I have about sixteen bucks to my name, at present.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:30 pm
by Arrakis
Drill a hole in the middle of a piece of 3/4" PVC pipe 18" long. Tie a knot in the end of a rope, drop the other end through the hole. Tie a heavy thing (like a gallon jug with water in it) to the other end.
Ta-daaaa. Wrist roller.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:17 pm
by Derian
It's a bit off topic, but if you have access to a barbell and weights, deadlifts with a double overhanded grip will probably build wrist/grip strength (plus a number of other very important muscle groups) faster than a wrist roller. Kettlebell swings, too, but you'd probably have trouble finding them at a globogym type place.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:20 pm
by The Bruce
Derian wrote:deadlifts with a double overhanded grip will probably build wrist/grip strength (plus a number of other very important muscle groups) faster than a wrist roller.
No way. As you point out, the deadlift spreads the effort over many muscle groups; the roller just focuses it on your forearms/wrists. Two or three trips up and down and you're burned up! Deadlifts are a great overall conditioning exercise, but he was looking for a specific solution to wrist pain.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:38 pm
by Derian
Deadlifts with proper form will definitely do it, plus give lots of other benefits.
Most people who don't have significant experience with deadlifts aren't limited by their larger muscle groups in the legs and back, but specifically by grip strength. If you don't believe me, try deads with straps to take wrist/grip strength out of the equation and see how much it improves your lifts.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:48 pm
by Arrakis
Describe this technique further, Derian, for those of us who've never actually done any weightlifting.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:00 pm
by Nibenon
you take a circular strap and wrap it around you wrist then up under the bar and sinching it back around your wrist
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:20 pm
by Arrakis
Naw, bruh. Like, deadlifts with whatever blah blah modification, etc.
It probably ain't even worth explainin' on the internet. ****', I need more free time to train...
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:44 pm
by Nikola the Bear-hat
Deadlifts are lifting a barbell directly off the floor to a standing position with arms extended the whole time. Pretty simple, but dangerous if done incorrectly. I am in search of a video I once saw that perfectly describes the move. It's one of my personal favorites.
As for deads being a lot about grip, dead on. Straps make a huge difference. And why shouldn't it be as effective as directly training the grip? Just because you're moving the weight with other muscles doesn't mean your hands aren't holding up as much weight.
Overhand grip means your palms face your body, underhanded (not advised) means palms facing away from your body, mixed is...mixed. I'll be back with a more comprehensive examination of the deadlift for you Arrakis. For now I need sleep.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:33 pm
by Derian
Nikola's got the right idea.
Double overhand is generally the 'default' for new people. Experienced lifters often alternate - one hand underhanded, the other overhanded. This allows you to get a bit more weight than both overhanded.
Straps aren't really that useful if you're training strength. They might be good at the end of a few sets when your grip is shot but your legs have a bit more in them, but I definitely agree with many experienced trainers when they say to use them sparingly.
Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p ... 2FA5322D68If anyone knows his **** about coaching strength building lifts, it's Mark Rippetoe.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:18 pm
by Nikola the Bear-hat
What's up deadlift people? This thread will attempt to cover deadlift basics, common mistakes, and also provide some useful information about other deadlift variations.
Here is the basic overview of the classic barbell deadlift.....
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:02 pm
by Derian
Nikola the Vengeful wrote:The credit for most all of this information goes to Mark Rippetoe. The above post is basically my interpretation of the material outlined in Starting Strength Volume 2. Those who have found it helpful I'd highly encourage to look into the book.
Truth. If you're interested in strength training (i.e. not bodybuilding, not endurance training, but getting strong as ****), I cannot recommend Starting Strength enough. Here's the link to buy it directly from the publisher:
http://www.aasgaardco.com/store/store.p ... how_detail
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:30 am
by Cade
This probably won't help unless you work in a kitchen, and im only posting because its interesting, but the same basic motions you use for wrist rolling just so happen to be the same motion and muscles you use for chopping cilantro. When you have to fine dice eight bags of cilantro in an hour, you build up some insanely strong wrists. Ironically i had always had carpel tunnel from using the computer, and after doing anything like fighting my wrists would start to lock up and ache...after a month or two of dicing cilantro...no more carpel tunnel, and absolutely zero problems with fighting.
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if you will forgive the chef snob in me, this guy is fairly slow, and his chop is rough, but you can see the basic motion he goes through. I guess if you work in a kitchen, you could volunteer for prep and build your wrists that way.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:00 pm
by Arrakis
So, what you're saying is: Go join the Cooking forum if you want to be a good fighter?
Also: EWWWW Cilantro! :unsure:
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:26 pm
by The Bruce
Sort of gives you an idea of our collective fitness level when cooking becomes conditioning for symbolic combat!
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:44 pm
by Nikola the Bear-hat
The Bruce wrote:Sort of gives you an idea of our collective fitness level when cooking becomes conditioning for symbolic combat!
*ahem* Prospective Division 1 football player.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:00 pm
by No'Vak
Nikola the Vengeful wrote:The Bruce wrote:Sort of gives you an idea of our collective fitness level when cooking becomes conditioning for symbolic combat!
*ahem* Prospective Division 1 football player.
Maybe but I'll dominate you in Madden.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:27 pm
by Cade
The Bruce wrote:Sort of gives you an idea of our collective fitness level when cooking becomes conditioning for symbolic combat!
Its a two birds one stone sort of thing lol.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:30 am
by Slagar
Hey hey. I played for a division 1 rugby team. Not all of us are reduced to exercising in the kitchen. :-p
Seriously, though, knitting, chopping ****, whatever works. Forearms are targeted by the weirdest things. If it works for you, go with it.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:37 pm
by Nikola the Bear-hat
Noik wrote:Maybe but I'll dominate you in Madden.
I'm sure you would.
I'm not sure how applicable it is, but I also enjoy using grippers to train grip. It's more of a crush than a hold, so it may not be the best, but the Captains of Crush grips are awesome. If anyone's super serious about training grip, visit the gripboard.com boards. It's all about grip and various feats of grip strength.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:28 am
by Loptr
Nikola the Vengeful wrote:I'm not sure how applicable it is, but I also enjoy using grippers to train grip. It's more of a crush than a hold, so it may not be the best, but the Captains of Crush grips are awesome. If anyone's super serious about training grip, visit the gripboard.com boards. It's all about grip and various feats of grip strength.
Are we talking about self satisfaction here?
Just sayin....
L
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:49 am
by Soo Ma Tai
If you want a powerful grip, try learning to play guitar or any other stringed instrument with a neck.
I use a grip master deal for guitar players. I like them because they have individual places for each finger. When I first started using it, I could barely squeeze the ring and pinky finger places. You'd be amazed at how weak those two fingers are, even in someone with a very strong grip. I used the gripper in both hands, and when I went to the chiropractor for a neck injury, they measured my grip in both hands. To the womans amazement (she had me do it three times because she thought her machine was messed up) I had a 95 lb. grip in either hand.
Keep in mind I did not use the gripper that often and it was not part of any training regimine, only something I did every once in a while to help my guitar playing.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:08 pm
by Nikola the Bear-hat
Loptr wrote:Are we talking about self satisfaction here?
Just sayin....
L
Could play a part. I can close a 250 in my right but only a 200 in the left...
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:07 am
by Sir_Mel
Bam!
http://www.dynaflexpro.com/store.php?cr ... how_detailKick your weak wrist and hands' *.
Warlord certified.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:38 am
by Slagar
I ordered one of those because of your post, Mel. If it doesn't rock, I'm returning it to you at the next event, at very high velocity. :-p
I'll post a review once I've gotten to play around with it.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:22 pm
by Dane
If you wanted to play with balls, Slagar, all you had to do was ask.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:29 pm
by No'Vak
Link doesn't work for me.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:17 am
by Slagar
Now Dane, don't be like that. You knew what this was.
Noik: if you google Dynaflex gyro, you'll get it. It's an interesting concept, hence ordering one.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:02 am
by Dane
It's the fate of every man's genitals to be replaced by a vibrating toy. I just never thought it would happen to me...
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:46 pm
by bo1
dane that is realy funny. and sadly true. those **** bastteries last for days, i am only good for hours.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:40 pm
by Slagar
So, I ordered one, got it, and have spent the last week or so goofing around with it. This thing is pretty fraggin' sweet. No impact, and tears your arms up as well as anything else I've ever found. Honestly, in terms of effectiveness and efficiency, I'd say this is about on par with wrist rollers and well above farmer carries.
The big upside to this thing is that it's very portable and kinda addicting to play with. So, while wrist rollers will work just as well, I guarantee that you'll use one of these more often, just because it's convenient and much more fun. So I'd probably recommend this over wrist rollers.
The one big downside here is that these things can be a pain in the * to figure out how to use properly. I got it in less than an hour, but my roommate (an aerospace engineer, so it's not like he's too dumb to get it) still can't figure it out, and it's subtle enough that you can't really teach it to someone else. So, if you order one and can't get it to work, odds are you may just throw it in the drawer and forget it. Best I can suggest is do what I did, and look up a few youtube videos to help. They work way better than the included CD (throw that POS out).
Overall -9/10, with the point off being for a restrictively steep learning curve. Take the time to learn it, and it's pretty awesome, though.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:41 pm
by Slagar
I just noticed that I preface every third sentence with "So,". I should work on that.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:19 pm
by Sir_Mel
Told you I'm smart.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:42 pm
by Physic
The ball is more focused on stabilization development and the wrist roller is more for strength development. I would recommend using them both.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:22 pm
by Slagar
How so, Physic? Depending on which technique you use with the gyro, you work all of the muscle groups that the wrist roller hits, that I know for sure. What's the difference? I'm genuinely curious, here.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:38 am
by Sir_Mel
Dynaflex works all the fine motor muscles that help everything work together. it'll help build your coordination. The wrist roller is more of a "weight lifting" exercise that will build the larger muscles in your forearms where the "big strength" is.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:41 pm
by Physic
Yep
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:55 am
by larosenoire
I was looking for those actually.. Thanks. And those work wonders in help strengthening.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:41 pm
by Sir_Mel
Nikola the Vengeful wrote:The Bruce wrote:Sort of gives you an idea of our collective fitness level when cooking becomes conditioning for symbolic combat!
*ahem* Prospective Division 1 football player.
I realize you're a high school badass and all, but seriously, nobody here really cares.
Re: Wrist Roller!?
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Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:44 pm
by No'Vak
I don't even know what division one fooseball is.
That is what he plays right.