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Boards crashing?.

Postby Ignatius » Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:35 pm

What's going on? This morning I couldn't get on the board for a few hours. I kept getting an error page. Same thing happened last week right before Chaos. Haven't heard anything about it yet and I'm curious
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Re: Boards crashing?.

Postby Thorondor » Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:32 pm

You aren't the only one it's happening to. I'm getting the same error on & off...
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Re: Boards crashing?.

Postby Derian » Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:46 pm

Yup, been having some swap thrashing issues on the server. I'm trying to track them down, but they keep popping up when I'm asleep and by the time I can investigate, it's too late to do anything except reboot.
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Re: Boards crashing?.

Postby Derian » Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:37 pm

Also traffic yesterday and today has been more than doubled compared to most days. My guess is people coming back from Chaos.

We run pretty close to the limits of my box at peak times, so it might be time to look into adding more memory.
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Re: Boards crashing?.

Postby Ignatius » Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:56 pm

Does that also explain why the View New Posts buttons and other search functions are working sporadically right now?
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Re: Boards crashing?.

Postby Derian » Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:02 pm

Yep. The view new posts function is obviously based on the general search function. Search is pretty resource intensive, so the board has a built in override that temporarily disables search if the load on the server is over a certain threshold.
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Re: Boards crashing?.

Postby Ignatius » Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:07 pm

Dang, I don't remember how to read the boards since I found that little button and its friends.
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Re: Boards crashing?.

Postby Derian » Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:54 pm

I know it's been **** the past few days. I'm working on it.

Also, I know most of you are trying be helpful, but I get automatic SMS notifications whenever anything ****. I don't need wall posts, emails, IMs or anything else letting me know. I'm as on top of it as I can be. :)
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Re: Boards crashing?.

Postby Ignatius » Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:57 pm

Do what you can Derian. Anybody who pushes you or is a * can suck it! Keep up the good work and let us know if there's anything that can be done to help.

I deliberately used us as I assume the 5 other people who read this part of the boards would all be willing to help. ;)
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Re: Boards crashing?.

Postby Derian » Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:40 pm

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Re: Boards crashing?.

Postby Rocca » Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:39 pm

This is awesome! Also, logging in the the wiki isn't working for me . . . tried creating new account just to see. Also not working.
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Re: Boards crashing?.

Postby deadsnow » Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:22 pm

yeah i was out for two DAYS waiting on the boards to fix them selfs it kept saying " Internet explorore (er what ever) cannot display the web page" or "the server is undergoing maintenence
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Re: Boards crashing?.

Postby Derian » Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:51 pm

Deal with it.
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Re: Boards crashing?.

Postby The Great Gigsby » Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:01 pm

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Re: Boards crashing?.

Postby Derian » Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:36 pm

Rocca wrote:This is awesome! Also, logging in the the wiki isn't working for me . . . tried creating new account just to see. Also not working.


Thanks. I'll check in to it.
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Re: Boards crashing?.

Postby Ignatius » Sat Aug 06, 2011 12:29 am

Boards are way faster so far. I'll start messing around with the wiki tomorrow and see what I can scrounge up. So far so good though.
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Re: Boards crashing?.

Postby Derian » Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:15 pm

The Wiki login issue has been fixed.
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Re: Boards crashing?.

Postby Thorondor » Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:31 pm

I'm not getting email alerts when a reply is posted. Might be my retardedness and not the boards though...
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Re: Boards crashing?.

Postby Derian » Sat Aug 06, 2011 3:04 pm

Oh, nope, that's an issue. I forgot to setup reverse DNS. Give me a minute.
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Re: Boards crashing?.

Postby Derian » Sat Aug 06, 2011 3:14 pm

The IP address was on a policy blacklist for a number of dumb reasons. I've put in for delisting, so mail should start flowing normally in the next 12 hours or so.

Edit: Should be good to go now. If anyone else is having mail issues, let me know and I'll look in to your address specifically.

Code: Select all
[root@doli awstats]# telnet mxpool01.netaddress.usa.net 25
Trying 165.212.8.32...
Connected to mxpool01.netaddress.usa.net.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 netmail12.cms.usa.net ESMTP USA.NET-SMTA vC8.MAIN.3.72B; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 21:34:44 -0000
helo doli.derian.us
250 netmail12.cms.usa.net Hello doli.derian.us [174.143.56.95], pleased to meet you
mail from:<derian@belegarth.com>
250 Sender OK
rcpt to:<stash_zabriski@usa.net>
250 Recipient OK (738PHFVjc6368M12)
Data
354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself
Subject: Test
Just a test.
.
250 Mail accepted (738PHFVjc6368M12)
quit
221 Goodbye
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Re: Boards crashing?.

Postby Thorondor » Sat Aug 06, 2011 3:41 pm

Thanks Derian. I've tossed in a white list filter too just in case something stupid like that happens again. All I know is I wasn't submitting the board emails as spam...LOL
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Re: Boards crashing?.

Postby Derian » Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:07 pm

Yeah, it's nothing you've done on your end. Many, many (most) email servers using something like SpamHaus, which is a major blacklist provider. We're running on a new server with a new IP address, and due to the fluid nature of cloud based VMs, they've classified all these blocks as dynamic addresses, which basically means they've decided there's no legitimate reason any of these servers should ever be sending email.

Fortunately, the process to get delisted is pretty smooth and quick.
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Re: Boards crashing?.

Postby Galya » Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:28 am

Hey Derian, another minor Wiki problem I've noticed is that I'm unable to delete pictures. I'm trying to get rid of the ones that all the bots post, and it gives me an "Error deleting file: Could not create directory..." message. Appreciate it if you'd look into that. Thanks.
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Re: Boards crashing?.

Postby Kneuggie » Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:38 am

Derian wrote:Yeah, it's nothing you've done on your end. Many, many (most) email servers using something like SpamHaus, which is a major blacklist provider. We're running on a new server with a new IP address, and due to the fluid nature of cloud based VMs, they've classified all these blocks as dynamic addresses, which basically means they've decided there's no legitimate reason any of these servers should ever be sending email.

Fortunately, the process to get delisted is pretty smooth and quick.


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Re: Boards crashing?.

Postby Arrakis » Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:18 pm

Derian wrote:I know it's been **** the past few days. I'm working on it.

Also, I know most of you are trying be helpful, but I get automatic SMS notifications whenever anything ****. I don't need wall posts, emails, IMs or anything else letting me know. I'm as on top of it as I can be. :)


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Re: Boards crashing?.

Postby Derian » Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:24 pm

Galya wrote:Hey Derian, another minor Wiki problem I've noticed is that I'm unable to delete pictures. I'm trying to get rid of the ones that all the bots post, and it gives me an "Error deleting file: Could not create directory..." message. Appreciate it if you'd look into that. Thanks.


This is fixed, I also found an issue where thumbnails couldn't be created when uploading images. This has also been fixed.
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Re: Boards crashing?.

Postby Galya » Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:44 pm

Sweet, thanks Derian!
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Postby Derian » Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:00 pm

Some people's avatars haven't been showing up. This should be fixed now as well.
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Re: Boards crashing?.

Postby Galya » Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:30 pm

I still can't see mine.
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Re: Boards crashing?.

Postby Arrakis » Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:54 am

Galya wrote:I still can't see mine.
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Re: Boards crashing?.

Postby Derian » Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:07 pm

Bing bang boom.
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Postby Derian » Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:21 pm

CTRL+SHIFT+R

Your browser is caching the not-image.
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Postby Arrakis » Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:53 pm

Huh. Thought F5 handled that sort of thing, but I guess not.
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Re: Boards crashing?.

Postby Galya » Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:55 pm

Arrakis wrote:Huh. Thought F5 handled that sort of thing, but I guess not.

Yup, me too. Learn something new every day I guess. Thanks again.
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Re: Boards crashing?.

Postby Derian » Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:33 pm

It's the difference between refresh and force refresh. F5 does a refresh, CTRL+SHIFT+R forces the browser to drop the cache and pull things down again from the server.
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