Belegarth

by **Elebrim** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:30 am

Yep.

When the final vote turned, the Belegrim rose up and drug their suspect bodily toward the gallows. With much struggling on his part, one of their own was lost to the noose.

Outhro Youkker, Belegrim, has been lynched.

Night 2 has begun. All roles send me their targets before 8 PM EST tomorrow (Friday); Day 2 will begin at that point or or when all roles are in, whichever comes first.

by **Mekoot Rowan** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:03 pm

Even though I didn't vote, I still feel kind of responsible for Outhro's death. In other words, I took a life, WOOOHOOOOO!

by **Horati OTFH** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:59 pm

I think I am next on the chopping block..* the man.

by **Versago Hayashida** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:01 pm

How so. Its either me or savetuba! lol

by **Horati OTFH** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:03 pm

I say me because people dislike me!

by **Spike** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:41 pm

Now now, to be fair children, everyone dislikes you all equally.

by **Sir_Mel** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:10 pm

Spike wrote:Now now, to be fair children, everyone dislikes you all equally.

True Statement.

Anyways, I'm probably going to be resuming my original target anyways, so just to get this out of the way.

VOTE: Savetuba

by **Spike** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:09 am

You have to wait for the night to end first, Mel.

by **Big King Jimmy** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:41 pm

In a long enough time line, the life expectancy of all members of Belegarth drops to 0.

by **Elebrim** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:48 pm

True. But isn't the same of all humans? And speaking of dropping...

End of Night 2

As dawn breaks on the next day of the event, another cry is heard. The body of another Belegrim was found, broken and bloody in his tent. Upon searching his possessions for clues, the Belegrim are surprised to find a small token emblazoned with the crest of the EBF.

Spike (Onyx, Modified Cop) has been lynched during Night 2

by **Nor** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:02 pm

Spike?! Whoever would have suspected that...

Vote: Juicer

I know it seems that I may just be flying off the handle but earlier Juicer said that he would like to keep Spike around. Maybe he said that to clear himself of being suspected of IC and it was in IC's plan to murder Spike in night two. Thats why I made my vote against Juicer anyway. I also suspect Rowan and Elohssa(he was always jealous of Spike anyways

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by **Juicer** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:15 pm

Goddamnit. I liked Spike. I did think he was IC, but I still liked having him around. But a cop? I would have never known. I think it's time we took a serious look at Melannen. He always just seems to be following whatever voting trend is happening. Nor has been pretty quiet up until now, same with Oisin. Now we have a few options. We can all go into histerics and fly off the handle voting for whomever we fancy, or we can actually investigate previous voting trends and discuss. It's up to you.

I'm leaning towards voting Melannen, but I want to wait in case somebody points out something I missed.

by **Nor** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:24 pm

I've been pretty quiet because I forgot I was playing this game actually lol

Voting trends aren't really the only thing to look for... We have to look at who was killed and who said something about him (good or bad). Thats why I said you and Rowan.

Melannen may just not be interested in game play... Maybe we should look at if he doesn't follow the bang wagon because than that would make me suspect he is trying to save that person.

by **Horati OTFH** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:33 pm

Rowan wrote:Even though I didn't vote, I still feel kind of responsible for Outhro's death. In other words, I took a life, WOOOHOOOOO!

VOTE: ROWAN

Because he said I took a life...

by **Dabbanoth** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:22 am

Vote: Horati

Cuz he is annoying.

by **savetuba** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:33 am

Juicer wrote:I think it's time we took a serious look at Melannen. He always just seems to be following whatever voting trend is happening.

He seems to focused on keeping every one's attention on me, giving him and his fellow Iron Crown members plenty of time to mass murder the rest of us, until the day I'm lynched. Or maybe Juicer is trying to get rid of a fellow IC due to some role he has.

As much as it pains me to say it, I agree with dag. Horati, you are becoming annoying. Yet, that doesn't scream Iron Crown to me. Just village idiot.

Juicer wrote:Going just on people I'd like to see gone: Versago, Outhro, Savetuba. In that order. Spike is probably IC, but I like having him around for entertainment purposes.

Juicer sounds like Iron Crown to me. Keeping the focus of lynching on innocents while trying to convince others that our fellow belegrim Spike was IC.

I suspect both Juicer and Melannen as being Iron Crown.

by **Dabbanoth** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:37 am

I dont suspect juicer as being IC, i dount doubt for a minute that he'd have wanted to keep spike around for entertainment purposes.

Melannen, maybe/probably, although i cant be too hard on anyone that tried so hard to get Tuba lynched.

Tuba, i also think you are Iron Crown. When you started getting too much attention, you immediately begain playing the "Lets NOT look at Savetuba" game.

by **savetuba** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:53 am

yep I play the 'let us not lynch me' game because I would like to stay in this game. Besides using that as a biases to lynch is stupid. Outhro played the same 'don't look at me' game when his name suddenly came up, giggles suddenly started the vote on me when suspicion was cast his way, and I'd be willing to bet most people here would do the same if suddenly they were on the chopping block. Only those who are confident in not being lynched would dare accuse people of being IC for trying to defend them selves. Or could it be, you Dagganoth, are also Iron crown trying to keep the focus on me so you can kill yet another one of us if I am lynched.

Let me ask a question of the rest of you. Would you try to defend your self if your name came up for being lynched?

by **Dabbanoth** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:03 am

That was never the point i was trying to make, your response to the votes against you seemed paniced

by **The Great Gigsby** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 3:08 pm

Agreed, Dagganoth.

We're going to have to play it extra smart since we just lost an important ally in Spike. Let's all observe a moment of silence and reflect on how he touched all of our souls in all the wrong ways. Spike, you will be missed. :cry:

Now, y'all are making some pretty good points. Here are my observations so far (as perceived with my super-keen rape eyes). I'm particularly leery of those have gone silent; Rowan, Elohssa, and Versago.

Savetuba, I called you out because nobody else would and because killing people feels so right. I have nothing to hide.

It's the quiet ones that are difficult to read. Horati's stupidity and insistance that we string him up could be a tactic to perserve himself. I'm leaning towards Horati or Versago. Killing either of them would also give us the benefit of not having to read their mindless posts anymore.

Vote: Horati

* be annoying. And if you guys are gonna get on my case for jumping the gun I can rescind my vote just as well. It makes no difference to me, I just think we should be actively investigating one another instead of pussyfooting around when our lives are at stake.

by **Oisin** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 3:28 pm

Hey, Elebrim, would you care to elaborate a little bit what modified cop means? It's somewhat customary to reveal the details of roles upon their holder's death, so that other roles can be better interpreted. As it is, modified cop doesn't really give any useful information.

EXCEPT . . . that it does hint that we're looking at a potentially very complex setup here. Which it might be possible to use to the benefit of the town.

Also, sorry for being quiet, I've been in Wales and Germany for the last two weeks except for one night back in my own place, so I've been mostly out of touch.

by **Horati OTFH** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:04 pm

You guys are honestly stupid...If I was IC Dag would have already been dead.

by **Dabbanoth** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:15 pm

Horati, im totally stealing your Argument.

You and Savetuba are still posting here.

Im not IC.

by **Elohssa Y'trid** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:27 pm

Bahahaha. I've been kinda busy lately, but I've been keeping up with the posts.

I've been silent because I sortof agree with everyone, don't really have anything very productive to add in that hasn't already been said, but I don't really quite know yet who is in the IC.

And I agree, Spike's a valuable ally to have...we lost a lot with him.

That said, I'm not sure Horati is IC, but I AM sure he's retarded.

VOTE: Horati

I say let's get him out of the way, then maybe we can get Tuba out...but Horati isn't even retarded in an entertaining way. At least we can all have a good laugh at Tuba.

by **Horati OTFH** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:47 pm

Considering I'm not retarded at all...But ok, whatever. If you guys want a random town person gone, then so be it.

UNVOTE: ROWAN

VOTE: HORATI

I'm just not going to care anymore.

by **Elebrim** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:09 am

Current Vote Tally:

Juicer: 1
Horati: 3 (one self-vote)

With 13 alive, 7 is needed to lynch.

*Oisin: The reason I posted a vague role description is because I did do a few out-of-the-ordinary combinations. I took a couple of the standard ones and tweaked them for our purposes, as they fit the context of the game. The role of Onyx was just that, a highly modified cop/vigilante role that could only detect one specific other role.

by **Sir_Mel** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:30 am

Ya know what, I'm gonna steal that argument from Dagganoth. If I was IC, Savetuba would so be dead.

That being said, upon further investigation (as in I actually looked at into it) I've decided that Savetuba quite possibly is IC due to him trying to downplay any threats/attention diverted towards him by trying to make his accusers look like IC agents.

VOTE:Savetuba.

by **Oisin** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:13 am

Ummm . . . shouldn't it be 7 to lynch, seeing as that 7 is a majority vote of 13? Also, was Spike aware of the fact that his role was modified, not that of a standard cop?

Anyway, with Dagganoth and Melannen but on a slightly separate slant, if Savetuba were Mafia, why would he have killed off Spike, not one of you guys? Unless his other Iron Crowners dislike him personally so much that either they completely ignored him, or are themselves trying to get him lynched.

Unfortunately, I don't see anyone still alive who might have an actual grudge against Spike, so as it stands, I'm somewhat stumped. However, I would be willing to guess that at least several of our Iron Crown buddies voted for Outhro's lynching, so let's see what we can uncover.

So, the votes that lynched Outhro were, in order,

Horati
Rowan
Rowan (unvote)
Juicer
Spike
Versago
Giggles
Outhro
Outhro (unvote)
Melannen
Dagganoth

. . . which, while bringing us to the interesting conclusion that Elebrim **** up the vote count and there was never actually a majority to lynch Outhro since the most individuals ever voting for him at a single time was 7, leaves us with 6 names to look at, since Spike is dead and confirmed innocent. Rowan unvote leads me to believe that he is of secondary consideration as Iron Crown, as everyone else is, including myself, I suppose, from everyone else's perspective.

So, from my own gut feeling from several read-throughs of the thread,

VOTE: Giggles

I would also like to request that we stop trying to lynch Savetuba. He may be annoying as hell to some, but there's really no reason to suspect him as IC above anyone else, and voting to get rid of annoying people just isn't fun.[/b]

by **Oisin** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:00 am

Oh, and as Spike had a role that only detects one other role, I think we have to assume that there's at least one other baddy role in the game.

I think we can rule out serial killer, so perhaps a cult, or he was only allowed to detect the Godfather? I'm not sure at this point . . .

by **savetuba** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:00 am

Oisin wrote:I think we can rule out serial killer, so perhaps a cult, or he was only allowed to detect the Godfather?

No one else has died so there isn't another killing group...
Some threats of being a suicide role...
The cop could probally investigate one person each night to see what role they had, may spike rest in peace...
With the small number of people and given the voting paterns...

My guess would be there is a third group like a cult. I would guess it is centered around either dag or mel. They both vote very similar without questioning each other about such. If they aren't IC then they must be part of some cult role. And if they are part of a cult role, what would be their objectives?

If dag and mel are not IC and not part of a cult then why do they continuosly vote the same way, act the same way, agree on the same things, and mainly work together with each other without so much as questioning each other?

by **The Great Gigsby** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 2:00 pm

Yeah, go ahead and call me out for no reason, Oison. Turnabout's fair play. Just know that you're no better than me (and I'm pretty awful). I admitted before that I've voted hastily and maybe a bit carelessly. I just don't believe that we should be afraid of one another when there are talks of not one, but two conspiracies in the works. I have walked with the reaper and do not fear his cold, bony yet platonic embrace.

Also, Spike is one my favorite peeps, and as heartless as I can be, I swear on my life that if I were a member of Iron Crown, I would much sooner nix someone more worthy of my ire than Spike, like, I dunno... savetuba.

Rowan seems clear for now, and Oison brings up some pretty good points. Savetuba too, sadly. So who are we looking at as possible suspects? Myself, savetuba, Dagganoth, Juicer, Horati?

Oison wrote:Unless his other Iron Crowners dislike him personally so much that either they completely ignored him, or are themselves trying to get him lynched.

Ding ding ding. We can basically assume that anyone who voted for savetuba yesterday is not an ally of his. Believe me when I say that out of all of us, I'd like to see him get the rope, it's just a question of logistics. There are plenty of you still in the "don't hang people based on personal bias" camp that are willing to give him a second chance. So be it.

Assuming that savetuba was IC, (which is not a bad bet) I'm looking at Horati as a very definite accomplice. Look at his voting pattern and his suicidal "poor me" response just oozes guilt. I'm just guessing there are too many sof hearted saps willing to send 'tuba off, or anyone for that matter. So let's keep the dialogue open, guys.

I'm perfectly willing to change my vote if we can come to a reasonable consesus.

by **Dabbanoth** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:43 pm

Id like to note that, being Mafia in the previous round, we voted against ourselves to relieve a little blame, it is not unheard of.

by **Oisin** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:21 pm

It's Oisin. Oisín, really, but the fada is disposable, since we're talking in English not Irish. Pronounced, roughly, uh-sheen (somewhat like machine without the m), not Oy-sin or something like that, which is what most people who don't read Irish assume it to be. Just fyi. :-)

Anyway, it's not calling you out for no reason, Giggles. You were a decisive vote on the lynch of an innocent, and there's several fairly common scum-tells that you're failing. I've been playing online mafia for a while now, and you're just ringing my bells. A couple others are also, but you're doing so especially.

Also, to everyone, I'm getting quite sick of the whole savetuba thing. Can we please cut the out of game crap? Frankly, I don't give a * how many of you don't like him, I don't care whether or not I like him IRL, but let's play this game, not our real world politics. If that's all you want to do, just quit now and get back to the rest of the boards.

by **Oisin** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:23 pm

Also, Dagganoth is right, smart mafia often do try and appear to work against each other, but the character of the attacks on savetuba lead me to believe that's not the case this time.

by **Dabbanoth** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:30 pm

Oisin, i agree with you too, people seem to be ganking up on Savetuba because hes a turd.

by **Elebrim** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:38 pm

Current Vote Tally:

Juicer: 1
Horati: 3 (one self-vote)
Giggles: 1
Savetuba: 1

With 13 Alive, 7 is needed to lynch

Note: Sorry about the vote tally; that's why I was telling everyone repeatedly to use the right format. It was getting exponentially harder to have to double back every whip-stitch and do a dry recount. And please stop asking me questions, Oisin. I technically don't exist in-game, so you pumping me for info gives the players an unfair advantage. Everyone was given a complete role description at the beginning, so they know exactly what they need to and there shouldn't be any problems.

by **Horati OTFH** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:07 am

UNVOTE: HORATI

VOTE: ABSTAIN

by **Juicer** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:20 am

Giggles, as much as I like you, Oisin presents quite a convincing argument. I have my doubts on how trustworthy Oisin actually is, but Oisin never voted for Outhro... hmmm.

Arrg. I still have a sneaking suspicion of Melannenenenen...

Oh well.

Vote: Giggles

I'm curious how this will all pan out.

by **Mekoot Rowan** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:39 am

In case anyone wonders about my silence in the future, I do not have internet at home. For this reason, I will not usually post anything over the weekend, and would appreciate not having to come back to work on Monday to find that I've been lynched.

I will say that I am dissapointed in Spike's passing. He made the game more fun and was one of the few people who could let us in on the IC's operations. We are now all in mortal danger of the traitors lurking in the darkness and working to subvert our purpose (whatever that is).

I voted for Outhro because he basically asked for it. I unvoted in the very next post. If this makes me a suspect then it is a very thin pretext.

Right now my suspicions point me toward Oison, Giggles and Savetuba. Outhro and Horati occupy secondary positions.

It seems right now like the best chance I have of eliminating one of my suspects is to point at Giggles so...

Vote Giggles

by **The Great Gigsby** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:05 pm

I guess my vitriol has gotten the better of me because you are just wasting your vote on an innocent (until proven guilty) monster. For what? Oisin's gut? Get off your bandwagon and start thinking with your heads, not with your guts, guys. Half of you don't even have a defense. If you have a bone to pick with me, then bring it up. I love picking bones.

by **savetuba** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:03 pm

Vote: Melannen

Has anyone seen or heard from mango yet?

by **Sir_Mel** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:24 pm

Heheheh, victory is mine. :spear:

by **Oisin** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:17 pm

Yeah . . . mod, can we get a poke on Farrin and Mango, please?

Giggles wrote:I guess my vitriol has gotten the better of me because you are just wasting your vote on an innocent (until proven guilty) monster. For what? Oisin's gut? Get off your bandwagon and start thinking with your heads, not with your guts, guys. Half of you don't even have a defense. If you have a bone to pick with me, then bring it up. I love picking bones.

Sorry to break the news, Giggles, but mafia is a game of guilty until proven innocent, and proven innocent doesn't occur until the game is over. It's a game of suspicious, lying, double-crossing, hunches, gut feeling, and subtle detection of even more subtle tells.

In any case, you seem to have no problems with bandwagoning people, and have never given an intelligent reason for you own votes. I can't say anything for anyone else, but my own vote at least has its reasons behind it.

That being said, Juicer is looking, to me, about as **** scummy as they can possibly come. I was just poking over a couple of my earliest games, one of which had me as scum, and he reads exactly like I did in a noob game as mafia.

Some of the biggest mafia tells are:

Second vote on an innocent lynch (check)
Overtly mourning the loss of a town power role (check--basically, this can be seen as the Mafia trying to secretly gloat to themselves)
Bandwagon-hopping (check)

So, we have Juicer failing three of the most important checklist items for being mafia. But what also really pinged with me was how his first post after myself and Dagganoth were discussing how Mafia sometimes vote against each other, was him jumping onto my vote against . . . the other person whom I most suspect to be Mafia.

So, since at this point I am more certain about Juicer than Giggles,

UNVOTE

VOTE: Juicer

Cheers, lads.

by **Mekoot Rowan** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:57 am

Can we only vote for one person or can we lynch as many as we want? I'd like to start lynching the people who haven't contributed to this thread yet just because I don't like them hanging in the shadows. It makes them look suspicious. Of course, if they start talking now I think that just proves their guilt.

Unvote: Giggles

Vote: Mango

by **Juicer** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:16 pm

Hmmm... that is quite the laundry list you've got on me, Oisin. I like where you're going with it. Now it's unfortunate that it's me that you're aiming at, but I like the analytical process. If we can trust you, you could definitely be a huge asset with your experience. I can assure you that I am a townie, for all assurances are worth (Jack and ****, and Jack just left town), but if you absolutely feel it's imperitive to get rid of me right now, that is your perogitive. As it stands, I still don't trust Giggles. Melannen is fishy. Dagganoth is a possibility. The more Savetuba posts, the less I trust him. I'm gonna keep my vote on Giggles for now, until I get any major reason to change it.

I honestly do miss Spike, he brought a nice light humor to the game. And if lamenting his death gets me canned, so be it. He was my friend and goddamnit, he was HILARIOUS. Even if he had announced publicly he was the godfather, I would have wanted to keep him around as long as possible.

Good day, gents.

by **Elebrim** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:06 pm

Current Vote Tally:

Juicer: 2
Horati: 2
Giggles: 1
Savetuba: 1
Melannen: 1
Mango: 1
Abstain: 1

With 13 Alive, 7 is needed to lynch.

*Note: PMed Mango to check.

by **Nor** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:51 am

Thats a huge variety of people up there....

Seeing how this really isn't going anywhere because we can't all agree (and really we aren't discussing) I'm going to go ahead and

Unvote: Juicer
Vote: No Vote

I still have my suspicions on Juicer and Oisin really increased those by his spill...but its really not looking like everyone is convinced that it could possible be Juicer.

by **Oisin** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:31 am

At this point in the game, I don't think we can afford to either no-lynch or mis-lynch. It's not exactly lynch or lose here, but we have to get it right, and I don't think we can afford to not lynch, especially if there's a cult out there recruiting, and I feel very inclined to target the cult here, instead of the mafia.

I'm going to put forward a bit of a gambit.

My role is Kegg, a regular Cop. I received an innocent result against Nor on night 1, and the same against Melannen on night 2. I do not know what Spike/Onyx was designed to detect, but I have a very sinking feeling that it might be a cult, which worries me a lot, a worry bolstered by the fact that each of my results of innocent have been met with an answer that states not that they are innocent, but that they are not a member of the Iron Crown. In any case, I intend to investigate Giggles, Juicer and Rowan next, as they are the ones that I am most suspicious of.

To be honest, I'm a bit worried about this game, because I'm not sure that if there's a cult, Elebrim managed to balance it out right, and this could be a very hard game for the town to win, maybe impossible. Which leads me away even more from wanting to no-lynch, because I think that we have to try and kill the cult's recruiter, assuming that Elebrim was at least intelligent enough to only allow one individual to recruit.

So, Melannen, Dagganoth, please account for yourselves.

To the doctor, I think you know who the obvious target of the Mafia is going to be tonight. Please take proper precautions, and do not reveal yourself. As a matter of fact, I think that any more roleclaims at this point might be a very bad idea unless someone has some very, very useful information.

To the mafia, I think that this possible cult is a worse threat to both the mafia and the town than either of us are to each other, at this point, and that you may want to consider targeting suspected cult members (perhaps Dagganoth or Melannen) rather than town members. It's really all the same to you in terms of the statistics, and your prime advantage in this game is that you have all the information. If you are lacking information, then you are, by very definition, at a much more severe disadvantage than the town, because we are designed to not know everything, while your strength is based entirely upon your knowledge.

by **Oisin** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:51 am

BTW, mod can we get a poke on Farrin too, please? He hasn't posted the whole game. Also, did spike know what he was supposed to be detecting?

by **Dabbanoth** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:54 am

Oisin, why me?
As of right now im not sure of anything, and im too lazy to read everything that everyone posts.

Im just rollin with the punches

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