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SirMADOG wrote:I heard Wolfpack didn't want them at SW.
Skorr wrote:SirMADOG wrote:I heard Wolfpack didn't want them at SW.
Just to clear it up, its nothing personal, but it was agreed in our best interest not to allow profit-motivated tourneys during our non-profit event.
Cyric wrote:Skorr wrote:SirMADOG wrote:I heard Wolfpack didn't want them at SW.
Just to clear it up, its nothing personal, but it was agreed in our best interest not to allow profit-motivated tourneys during our non-profit event.
But profit motivated merchants are allowed?
Skorr wrote:Just to clear it up, its nothing personal, but it was agreed in our best interest not to allow profit-motivated tourneys during our non-profit event.
Go right on ahead, but what Belegarth is to you is not what it is to everyone attending. I don't believe there's anything magical about Belehir, SCERO, or Darkgard; I go to these events so that I can dress/act like a clown, party, and beat people with sticks.Magpie of Rh?n wrote:I'd like to suggest that Belegarth should be the main attraction to a Belegarth event. It's enough for me.
I think this is chiefly the failure of our organization. If a relatively new system becomes immediately popular as we can all probably agree HACS has, then it must be offering something that Belegarth can't. Things like, better standard of garb, better equipment, better rules (matter of opinion), better referees, and an incentive to excel. If that became the norm in Belegarth, there's no doubt that more people would be excited about fighting at Bel events.I think there's still some bad blood from when HACS was introduced... my first impression (from the boards and from Ocfest) is that it was hiijacking our organization.
If HACS detracts from your weekend fighting experience, that's your problem. Being cranked in the head over and over again by a 12oz. flail detracts from my experience, Boohoo. Doesn't happen in HACS! Makes me happy. People that participate in HACS largely believe that it is a positive thing or they wouldn't support it. If you checked the reaction it got at an Amtgard's Spring War you would know that HACS can be a positive force for all medieval combat groups.the difference I see between Edhellen's support and HACS's support is that Edhellen gives a lot to the group without taking time away from Belegarth-oriented combat (or main-field fight time). HAC's, as I see it, gives less to the group (though substantially more to a limited number of individuals), and detracts from almost everyone's (except those limited winners') weekend fighting experience.
middle finger in the air to the haters!!!i just don't get why anyone would not want this kind of promotion at there events
Georghiu Leonte wrote:I definitely have questions about HACs...especially if I attend a Bele event and HACS is present. Is my money going to Belegarth (A non-profit..or at least an organization that isn't looking for profit) or is it going to HACS? If I go to an event to compete for Bele (which allows you to have fun and not directly support groups like Edhellen) I do not want my money to go in the pocket of Edhellen or whoever profits from HACS..maybe I am a 'hater' but I personally like a clear idea where my hard earned money is going to. As far as I can see HACS is a great idea that will go nowhere..because as of yet..I have seen zero progress, and HACS is a money driven organization (from what I understand of the business model)..with no money..they are not going to function.
(And if HACS is for profit..and someone is directly profiting from them (IE Edhellen isn't it self destructive for Bele to be giving them free publicity..? I know it is within event runners rights to do so..but it seems very foolish))
I think people need to look at the whole HACS/Edhellen issue with a bit more business savy (I lump them together because last I heard to fight in HACS you NEEDED Edhellen weapons.) It seems to me that this could all be about the profit of a few individuals.
It may not be. But when I see A LOT of people extremely excited about something I would rather be starkly on the other side of it. Am I interested in HACS? Yes definitely. Do I see a few people making money off HACS. Yes I do. Do I not know the people? Yes and that is what worries me. HACS could have a good year and fail..what of all the money other people invested in it? IE buying HACS weapons from Edhellen? Will they get refunded?
I see a fair amount of people not being skeptical enough, that puts BELE in danger. Not just of HACS stealing members..or 'taking' members or whatever. Consider this. If someone gets hurt fighting HACS at a Bele event is he going to see a difference between the two organizations?
If HACS suddenly fails after he invested a decent amount of money on weapons? (Edhellen might be quality but they are not cheap for the average person) To me, laying in bed with a new organization that could make a decent amount of money blindly is an extremely bad idea. Consider all the possibilities before you support HACS at a Bele event.
And yes I suppose I am a 'Hater' now.
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