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Dagganoth wrote: No names, just ideal abilities etc.
Brennon EH wrote:In order of importance:
Desire
Drive
Intelligence
Everything else is derived from these three. Without these three, there are no great fighters.
p_quick wrote:Dagganoth wrote: No names, just ideal abilities etc.
no names, i mean i'm flattered but i don't think that is what dag wants here.
but i agree with some of what you have said. But i believe it has more to do with being able to manipulate your opponent to put them in predictable situations, and having good reading skills, body mechanics, timing, distancing, and knowing how to block and properly return.
and one the field i believe what makes a good fighter is a good awarness of your surroundings.
A good crowd fighter needs to have the ability to control the tempo of the fight and force the group you are fighting to move where you want it to and swing when you want them to. this has mostly to do with maintaining specific distances between you and select portions of the crowd. letting you isolate small groups or individuals in that crowd.
Brennon EH wrote:In order of importance:
Desire
Drive
Intelligence
Everything else is derived from these three. Without these three, there are no great fighters.
Derian wrote:If you're talking 'best on the field at a given moment', I'm not sure I can help there, but if you're talking 'best fighter', I would say that a (constant) drive to be better than you are now instead of better than others is a good start.
BattleChrist wrote:Brennon EH wrote:In order of importance:
Desire
Drive
Intelligence
Everything else is derived from these three. Without these three, there are no great fighters.
Having desire/drive doesn't make you a good fighter, it can lead to helping you get better but doesn't make you good.
Brennon EH wrote:In order of importance:
Desire
Drive
Intelligence
Everything else is derived from these three. Without these three, there are no great fighters.
Also, be left-handed. Can't top that.
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Kerb wrote:BattleChrist wrote:Brennon EH wrote:In order of importance:
Desire
Drive
Intelligence
Everything else is derived from these three. Without these three, there are no great fighters.
Having desire/drive doesn't make you a good fighter, it can lead to helping you get better but doesn't make you good.
So I have to ask, what do you expect to make someone the best fighter that is not derived from Desire and or Drive?
BattleChrist wrote:
He wasn't asking how to become the best fighter he wanted to know what makes the best fighter the best. Desire/drive are things you need to become the best but they are not what makes you the best at any given moment.
p_quick wrote:I disagree
p_quick wrote:because if you don't have desire or the drive you will never be the best. for any moment.
BattleChrist wrote:He wasn't asking how to become the best fighter he wanted to know what makes the best fighter the best. Desire/drive are things you need to become the best but they are not what makes you the best at any given moment.
Kerb wrote:
So do you believe that the fighter that becomes the best can just put away his/her desire and drive and still function as the best?
I highly disagree with you if you feel that is true. If you no longer have desire and drive then you will be swept right off that podium by pretty much anyone that does. Even the top or best fighters must retain their drive and desire or they risk losing that acclaim by those that have it.
The question becomes, what level of these attributes must the Best Fighter maintain to in turn maintain his/her status as the best? That is where you have to think about it, and really the answer is almost impossible to put on paper because it is defined by all the others that play and the levels they have of these same things.
BattleChrist wrote:It's like what p_quick said i think you are misinterpreting what i said or at least why i say that. Drive and desire are motivators that keep you good or lead to your improvement, they are not what makes you good. Think of them as a catalyst to improving your skill. They help you get better but they are not what define your skill.
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Kerb wrote:
Actually I do understand what you are trying to say. I believe you are trying to say that drive and desire are useful tools that can elevate a persons skill but not what makes them the best.
As I said, I disagree with you. As I believe they are not a catalyst so much as they are a solid base with which to build upon, once you have built your building, you can't just for-go having the base of it. While yes they are rather vague definitions, keeping them vague allows you to define many skills and attributes as a part of them (ie the next layers in your building after the solid base).
I have a question for you, what do you feel makes someone the best? So far you have told us that you don't feel that it is drive and desire, so what do you feel that it is? If you don't mind me asking.
BattleChrist wrote:
I don't see them as a base because they are not something you mold your skills from they are just a way to help you mold your skills.
BattleChrist wrote:I don't see them as a base because they are not something you mold your skills from they are just a way to help you mold your skills.
To be the best person on the fired in my opinion you need to be quick and be able to know what shot to throw and when. You need good footwork and body movement to be able to fake people out. You need to have good field awareness, being able to read situation and manipulate the other team. You need to be able to develop strategy's and change them as necessary to keep your team in the fight. the last thing would probably be good leadership skills to put your team in the best position possible and keeping them together in any situation. To be the best on the field at any given time I think you need to be the best at all of these.
Soo Ma Tai wrote:The question here is not, how do you become a great fighter, it is, what make a good fighter good. The ideal abilities.
Determination and Drive are not skills, they are mental attributes, qualities, if you will. These qualities can lead to becoming better, but alone do not allow you to win fights. I believe what Daggonoth is asking is what key skills are required to be the "best".
Things like, economy of motion, field awareness, shot selection, etc. Not drive ,determination, focus, meditative thought, or any other states of mind.
Soo Ma Tai wrote:The question here is not, how do you become a great fighter, it is, what make a good fighter good. The ideal abilities.
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