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Turin wrote:AND, the discussion & use of "power stroke" is a necessary one. Particularly for hand bows. .
But how is the difficulty any different?Forkbeard wrote:This is the biggest reason there will only ever be one type of xbow allowed in our rules. Each one will need to be tested every day of every event it is at. The people who check them will NOT do extra math of anything else to figure out if your xbow is safe. They will do a draw weight and draw lenght check. THen they will test all the bolts. Every Day.
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Arrakis wrote:Just implement 50# max and 10" max power stroke.
That means that bigger, bulkier, more historical crossbows are more powerful than tiny pistol-grip, last-ditch hand crossbows.
That's appropriate, right?
Arrakis wrote:Then why not just compile a list of Bel-acceptable commercial models?
Oisin wrote:A 50 lb * 10 inch crossbow (as an example weight) produces roughly the same amount of force as a 35 lb * 28" draw bow from minimum full draw distance, so even if you shoot someone point blank with one, you're within the acceptable range of force.
Big Jimmy wrote:At oct-fest, a cross bow was passed that exceeded the current max specifications after Kegg volunteered to be shot in the face point blank.
At Muxlovia Mayhem the bow was pulled off the field after complaints that it hit too soft.
Zoop, it's owner, was pretty pist. *. Can't wait till we have this fixed.
debuenzo wrote:i think checking it on a case by case basis is the way to go, especially with the small number of crossbows.
Perhaps we can create a "rule" but have it as a working rule that can be ultimately decided by the head weapons checkers.
Kegg wrote:As far as having a high initial drag, it won't matter. At the power level we are talking (half-draw), the drag is very small.... If drag is an issue, the crossbow already is too strong.
Arrakis wrote:debuenzo wrote:i think checking it on a case by case basis is the way to go, especially with the small number of crossbows.
Perhaps we can create a "rule" but have it as a working rule that can be ultimately decided by the head weapons checkers.
YES.
Rule Proposal: Addition to the current crossbow rules:
X.Y.Z - The head herald may chose to allow other crossbows that do not meet the specifications indicated in this section at his sole discretion.
Elebrim wrote:Arrakis wrote:X.Y.Z - The head herald may chose to allow other crossbows that do not meet the specifications indicated in this section at his sole discretion.
This rule suggestion is a bad idea. Ideally, weapons checkers already have the power to pass said crossbow if they think it is safe or worth testing at practices; that should be the testing ground, especially in areas where realms are within driving distance and it can be tested at multiple places. But this rule creates a completely variable standard. What is passed at one event may not pass at the next, which may pass at the next, which may not pass at the next...
debuenzo wrote:i've had numerous weapons pass at one event and fail at others...
i've had weapons with the same construction at events...some passed...some didn't (with the SAME construction...at the SAME event)
i think that leaving it up to the people in charge will work....granted, people might try to maneuver around wep checkers to get it passed, but this happens with other weapons as well....that will never change
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